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Draft submission

Something very strange happened. When I was just reading my draft, I realized that the submission button disappeared. What to do? I have a great knowledge (talk) 16:09, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

I doubt if a submission button is really needed today ...

Is it true that reference number 1 is a book that he wrote? A book by the subject of the article is generally a poor reference, except in the little parts of the article where that book is being discussed. How would the article be affected if reference number 1 was removed, and replaced with references from third parties? TooManyFingers (talk) 16:32, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes. Its is about the Mizo language (book is Ṭawng Un Hrilhfiahna, roughly translated to elderly language) though the author did not write his life story in it, the publisher did. so, its not an autobiography. you can think of it like a publisher's note. I have a great knowledge (talk) 15:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Please link the draft you're asking about. Draft:Lusei has been submitted for review. RudolfRed (talk) 16:33, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry – I didn't think to check for more articles. TooManyFingers (talk) 16:43, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

its another one Draft:James Dokhuma I have a great knowledge (talk) 15:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Does it make sense that we can't use things that he wrote himself (and not by his relatives or friends either)? TooManyFingers (talk) 16:07, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

@TooManyFingers The main task for new editors writing drafts is to understand the notability guidelines, which is why most drafts are declined. This means (roughly) providing three cited sources which meet the golden rules. Once a biographical draft has such sources and is likely to be accepted as notable, then it can be expanded using WP:ABOUTSELF sources and, for example, a listing of selected publications. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:33, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes. The draft in question (the last time I saw it) relied almost exclusively on one book, apparently authored by the subject. TooManyFingers (talk) 16:43, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Disturbing anonymous users

Hi, Some(maybe one person) with IP 2405:201:A415:2930:A82C:6A8D:6F7B:2C2B has been continuously editing ESPN World Fame 100 without citing. I assume, the user is trying to replace some other name who is not featured there. Kindly, protect this page.. since, this article has no future events to include on it. —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 18:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

@Perfectodefecto You need to alert the admins at WP:AIV. Note that you are also expected to warn the IP on their Talk Page first. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:31, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

The user is temporarily blocked, I saw. Now, no need to take more action.... —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 19:49, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

YouTube Videos

Hi, I was wondering whether YouTube videos (or vlogs on other virtual platforms) are eligible to be cited as references when writing an entry. Thank you! DemirWikiTR34 (talk) 18:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, DemirWikiTR34. If the video has been uploaded to YouTube by a professional news organisation then the answer is likely yes, but many videos on there are self-published and therefore not usable outside of very specific circumstances. See WP:RSPYT and WP:SELFPUB for more on this. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:00, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Cordless Larry. I understand it. Some videos on YouTube are not reliable, I very agree. But there are some videos, which publishe by independent people but their credibility can be seen arguable. It makes things harder. There is no problem to find references for the entries which are more well-known in media but there are some new things which can be written as an entry but there are very few resources about them. In this case, Wikipedia prefers waiting. This is understandable but a bir barrier for expanding the knowledge range. (For instance, I am in a difficulty to find many references about the Antarctic Film Festival which isn't known very widened. There are a few of YouTube reels talking about the details of the festival. But all are from ordinary users.) Anyway, thank you for your time and efforts for me. DemirWikiTR34 (talk) 19:50, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

You're right that "Wikipedia prefers waiting". On that, you might be interested to read WP:LAGGING. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:59, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Draft Rejection

Hey guys, for about a year I’ve been trying to publish Draft:Cayden Brown. I keep getting a notice saying that the publications and citations aren’t up to par. Someone please help Brownjustice (talk) 18:40, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello Brownjustice. Are you Cayden Brown? If so, please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Writing an autobiography is strongly discouraged. Your draft has severe problems with the Neutral point of view, which is a core content policy. Examples of unacceptable language include His work in this position garnered significant attention due to his unbroken series of courtroom victories and Brown seeks to educate and empower young people to seize positions of power within their communities and Cayden Brown is a powerful speaker who has addressed some of the world’s most respected platforms and His boldness in addressing critical issues has earned him global recognition as a leading figure in child rights advocacy and Cayden Brown identifies as a Black man of faith and He is active on social media, where he shares insights about his work and advocacy efforts. Many assertions in the draft are unreferenced, violating another core content policy, Verifiability. The draft resembles a promotional brochure as opposed to a neutrally written, well referenced encyclopedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 19:09, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh that’s actually really helpful. I’m not Cayden but he posted on Twitter that he wanted a page so I’m trying to help get him one. I took that language from his website bio so that makes sense why it’s not neutral Brownjustice (talk) 19:13, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

As well as being promotional, the text from his website is subject to copyright and can't be copy-pasted into a Wikipedia article without permission. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Brownjustice, when I scrolled to the bottom of that website, I saw the copyright symbol. It is both a violation of Wikipedia's Copyright violations policy and real world copyright law to add massive quantities of copyrighted material to Wikipedia. I am sorry but I will have to delete the draft. Cullen328 (talk) 19:30, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

I didn’t directly copy and paste it. I was just using the same style is what I meant Brownjustice (talk) 19:31, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Large parts were copy-pasted word-for-word. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:35, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm sure that "not up to par" is not how they described it... What did they actually say was the problem? TooManyFingers (talk) 19:03, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

The edit said “Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.” even though I cited major publications Brownjustice (talk) 19:10, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy links: Draft:Cayden Brown (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:11, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

@Brownjustice A few things immediately strike me about your draft. 1) Brown is a powerful speaker.....He also graced the cover of The Michigan Chronicle’s September 2023 issue. The citations don't say anything about his power or his grace, so that's peacock wording that is against Wikipedia's policy of a neutral point of view. 2) Large portions are uncited, which is against the biography of living people policy. 3) There are external links from the body text, which are not allowed (see WP:ELPOINTS). Brown may well be wikinotable but your draft needs a lot more work. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:27, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Mike! I just edited the draft to have much more neutrality but would you mind elaborating on points 2 and 3? I’m having trouble knowing exactly what to cite because the only feedback I got prior to this was to include more publications Brownjustice (talk) 19:30, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deleted for copyright infringement (subjects webpage). If you intend to start over, do not copy or close paraphrase anything. David notMD (talk) 19:32, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

That sucks because I worked to rephrase it and didn’t violate the rule. Do I have to start all over?

How do I find someone who knows how to do it correctly? Brownjustice (talk) 19:34, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes. Like many newcomers to Wikipedia, you have decided to start by writing a whole new article, rather than learning the ropes first. Try contributing on other articles that cover areas you are interested in for a while, then read the good advice at this essay and especially the detailed policy for biographies. Long-time editors here know that the chances of newcomers writing acceptable full articles straight off is about 1 in 100. Don't let that put you off: there are many ways to contribute here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:42, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate that advice. I honestly only came here to help Cayden Brown because he should already have a page but it’s too much to learn for one. Can you point me who to ask who can properly write one? Brownjustice (talk) 19:44, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Brownjustice, I see no evidence that Brown has attended law school or passed the Michigan bar exam. He participates in a teen diversion plan that calls its volunteers "attorneys" in quotation marks. He is not an actual attorney and Wikipedia will never say that he is, unless the State Bar of Michigan says he is. Cullen328 (talk)\

All attorneys in Michigan are required by law to be members of that state bar association. I just checked their website. There is no member named Cayden Brown. Cullen328 (talk) 20:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Like you said, it’s within the diversion program Brownjustice (talk) 20:18, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

He is NOT AN ATTORNEY but your draft said he was. Cullen328 (talk) 20:19, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

“…in the 52-1 teen court diversion program.” As does every publication outline. In future drafts I’ll however be sure to never leave “attorney” standing alone but always place it within context of what the program allows for the teen volunteers Brownjustice (talk) 20:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

If an online publication calls him an attorney, that calls into question the reliability of that source, Brownjustice. Cullen328 (talk) 21:18, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

There's a lot going on here. The Cayden Brown here appears to go by thecaydenbrown on Twitter and styles himself as a 17-year-old who works as a "teen juvenile defense attorney." Following the actual links that mention him, that's not an actual attorney job, but as a participant in a peer court for at-risk teenagers in which he acts as an "attorney" on trials for other teenagers as an intervention program. His request for someone to make a Wikipedia page was back in January, in response which someone gave him a link to firm he could hire to write his Wikipedia page, for which he thanked the responder. A lot of the references on his website seem to be exaggerated; the first two referenced I checked did not reference him.

Honestly, if this editor is, in good faith, representing Brown as a lawyer with an "unbroken series of courtroom victories," I would have serious questions about them creating this article. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 21:41, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

You’re great at research. You must’ve missed the recent WXYZ interview where Cayden was interviewed IN the courtroom where he argues cases with the Judge that presides over his cases affirming all of that: https://www.wxyz.com/news/voices/meet-the-local-teen-making-waves-in-the-legal-world-who-also-spoke-at-the-un Brownjustice (talk) 21:45, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Interviews don't really count, because it's Cayden doing the talking. TooManyFingers (talk) 21:47, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Very false. Watch it before commenting! This is sad… we have a young kid here doing amazing things and he’s being discounted before any true research is done Brownjustice (talk) 21:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia's explanations of what notability is, before you say "very false". TooManyFingers (talk) 21:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

While it's correct to WP:AGF where possible, the fact that you're responding in this manner to an analysis of notabilty and sourcing which you asked about is causing me to increasingly doubt that you do not have a connection in some way with Brown beyond simply seeing an eight-month-old tweet and wishing to help him out. That he's doing things for a good cause is not relevant here; notability is not a reward for good works. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 22:13, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

(Interviews do count for settling whether he said something, but not for whether he's notable.) TooManyFingers (talk) 21:49, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Brownjustice, if you are being paid to write an article, then you must comply with the mandatory Paid contributions disclosure. The conflict of interest disclosure is not sufficient. Cullen328 (talk) 22:09, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Hey he didn’t pay me. I was just trying to do something nice but it seems like there’s more to this so I probably won’t try again Brownjustice (talk) 22:11, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

@Brownjustice: As Michael D. Turnbull pointed out, creating a new article from scratch is something that new editors are gently discouraged from doing from the start. We suggest spending a few months making edits to existing articles, learning what is and isn't considered a source that establishes wikinotability, and reading good and featured articles of a similar topic to the one you wish to write—in this case an article that happens to be a biography of a living person.
You should also be aware that if an article about Brown does manage to be accepted, neither he nor his proponents will have any control over the article, and if sources deemed reliable by Wikipedia report something negative about him, it will not be scrubbed. Consider that an article about him isn't necessarily a good thing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Alan Watt - New World Order, Dissector of the

Hi, Everyone: Seeing how helpful it is to know the facts Alan Watt, a New World Order reseacher and author wrote or spoke in about 100 radio interviews available on his website, "though he was not (covered; mentioned) in the mainstream media or other sources (mainstream media really being a hotbed of mostly lies), I am certain a page on Alan Watt would help improve Wikipedia. We had some discussions with Wikipedia editors who insisted he had to have been covered by reliable sources, and I pointed out that because his research findings confirmed that the mainstream media is a hotbed of mostly lies, and society, with all due respect, is, if you dissect it, fraudulent, he stayed away from society. He was a recluse. He died in 2021.

The good news is that reading Wikipedia's page on IGNORE ALL RULES, (I guess that title means "sometimes"), I believe we have found the logic(al) basis to proceed with the creation of an Alan Watt - "Dissector of the New World Order" page.

His website is CuttingThroughTheMatrix.com

Please comment to see if enough editors agree that his extremely helpful findings that help people who take the time to find things out (which might be about 5% or less of the population) know what is really going on, would help improve Wikipedia and help them live better.

Thanks, Writing is Easy (Author of "Write Talking" https://a.co/d/a10Esyv)

WIKIPEDIA SAYS: Use common sense "WP:COMMON" redirects here. For other uses, see WP:COMMON (disambiguation). Shortcuts WP:UCS WP:COMMON WP:SENSE WP:COMMONSENSE Wikipedia has many policies or what many consider "rules". Instead of following every rule, it is acceptable to use common sense as you go about editing. Being too wrapped up in rules can cause a loss of perspective, so there are times when it is better to ignore a rule. Even if a contribution "violates" the precise wording of a rule, it might still be a good contribution. Similarly, just because something is not forbidden in a written document, or is even explicitly permitted, doesn't mean it's a good idea in the given situation. Our goal is to improve Wikipedia so that it better informs readers. Being able to articulate "common sense" reasons why a change helps the encyclopedia is good, and editors should not ignore those reasons because they don't reference a bunch of shortcut links to official policies. The principle of the rules—to make Wikipedia and its sister projects thrive—is more important than the letter. Editors must use their best judgment. Why isn't "use common sense" an official policy? It doesn't need to be; as a fundamental principle, it is above any policy. Writing is easy (talk) 16:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

@Writing is easy You have already been given reasons not to proceed with an article at WP:Teahouse#Alan Watt (author, radio commentator). Your proposal to ignore not only the "rules" but the advice is unlikely to sway opinion. Among other problems, if there are no pubished sources, you would be forced into original research (i.e. your personal opinions), which have no place in Wikipedia. At best, you could try to write and publish his biography elsewhere in a reliable source, which could then be the basis of an article here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:44, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

You have a minimal start at Draft:Alan Watt page biography. If you can find references, continue. If not, not. Interviews do not count. Your other effort (Draft:Bedroom Ventilation) has been declined for lack of references and for being in essay style. David notMD (talk) 16:47, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Doesn't common sense suggest that without reliable sources about a person we don't have any information about that person to include in an article? Cordless Larry (talk) 16:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

If it's true what you say about "mainstream media really being a hotbed of mostly lies", then Wikipedia is probably not where your work belongs, and probably not where you belong either. If you create an article about Alan Watt, other people are going to add all of the mainstream media opinions they can find into that article, and you will be powerless to stop that from happening. TooManyFingers (talk) 16:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

You have submitted two drafts to AfC without references. Please do no do this again, as just a waste of reviewers' time. David notMD (talk) 21:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

What does "AfC" mean? Writing is easy (talk) 21:33, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Articles for creation (see link) is the process that new editors must use to draft and seek approval for their work. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:42, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Mike Turnbull. Writing is easy (talk) 22:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

How to classify stub-class articles after expansion?

Hi! Quick question, once you've expanded on a stub article, should you remove the stub template and the category assessment on the talk page or should you leave it until someone else is able to independently assess the updated article's quality? WP:DESTUB seems to indicate that you should remove both, but I'm not entirely clear on that. If so, should you remove the tag/category assessment without replacing it with anything or should you just place it in, for example, the Start class? Spookyaki (talk) 21:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

@Spookyaki The guidance at WP:ASSESS is useful in deciding what rating to give an article and the advice is to be bold, certainly up to C class. WP:RATER can be useful if you are not experienced with rating articles. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Right, but would this apply to an article that consists primarily of expansions to a stub that I myself made? In other words, am I allowed to assess my own contributions? Spookyaki (talk) 21:55, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the guidance at WP:ASSESS says Generally speaking, all editors, including editors who have written or improved an article, are encouraged to boldly set any quality rating. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:01, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Okay, gotcha. Thanks! Spookyaki (talk) 22:01, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Spookyaki, I routinely reassess stubs to start when the article has been expanded. Cullen328 (talk) 22:34, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Help for 2024 Bangladesh anti-Hindu violence

In 2024 Bangladesh anti-Hindu violence, some statements of individuas have been added. As a result, approximately 40-45% of the words match with the 3 websites. Will this be considered a copyright violation? TheNeutrality (talk) 20:18, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

@TheNeutrality: Which individuals made these statements? Which websites have been copied? TooManyFingers (talk) 22:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

If statements are properly attributed (they're in quotation marks and have a footnote to the source), it's usually fine. You don't want to make really really big blockquotes, but a couple of sentences is ok. Whether it's a good idea to use quotes is a different question. -- asilvering (talk) 22:39, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Alan Watt (author, radio commentator)

how can I contribute to Wikipedia by submitting a quote written by a man whose name appears in a Wikipedia disambiguation page in red letters? the page I am referring to is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Watt

I will be creating a new page about him and his work, but first — if it is doable — I would like to submit some of his most enlightening quotes to Wikiquote. Thanks, Charles Fabara Writing is easy (talk) 23:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Writing is easy, I think you may be mistaking Wikipedia (which is where we find ourselves) for Wikiquote. -- Hoary (talk) 23:57, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Not knowing if there is a teahouse for wiki quote, I am wondering if someone in the Wikipedia teahouse knows if I can, or if anyone can, or is permitted to, submit a quote by someone whose name appears and Wikipedia and red letters. 2600:1017:B8C0:CF4A:3D87:1ED5:A326:20E9 (talk) 00:05, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Dear Hoary: I need to create a new Wikipedia page for "Alan Watt" (author and radio commentator). Can you help me do that? Thanks, Charles (username: Writing is easy) Writing is easy (talk) 16:40, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Create the page Draft:Alan Watt (author and radio commentator) and submit it for review, but don't write the article WP:BACKWARD. Write it forward. That means, find reliable source coverage of him that is independent of him first, before you write a single word. If he's obscure, you may not get traction with Wikiquote. I have removed your addition of his name to the disambiguation page because it seems like you're trying to promote his website. What is your association with this person? ~Anachronist (talk) 01:30, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Anachronist.

Good and correct and knowledable advice.I am trying to make people aware of the mountains of data his website makes available. I am endeavoring to, now that he died, having dedicated his life to educating people about the workings of the New World Order. He has been a guest on hundreds of Internet radio shows. Those hosts interviewed Alan Watt, which is to say the "covered him", because he is obscure, but worth knowing about. It seems he worked to not be part of mainstream society, such as Wikipedia. Now that he died of a heart attack in 2021. His wife is thinking whether she wants to have Wikipedia have a page about her deceased husband or not. If she tells me she does. I want to be ready to write it. I never met Alan Watt in person. I only emailed him a few times. I bought two of his books. And I am in email contact with his wife, Melissa. I thank you for, and agree with, your advice to, "Write it forward" (not "BACKWARD"), meaning after finding reliable source coverage of him that is independent of him. He was well known in certain underground Internet networks or large groups. In 2006, Alex Jones interviewed him on PrisonPlanet.com and Infowars.com. I look forward to reading your kind reply. Thanks, Charles (Writing is easy) Writing is easy (talk) 17:13, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

His wife's desire to have a Wikipedia article, or not, doesn't matter. We have a policy: Wikipedia is not a memorial site and shouldn't be used that way. Nor is it a platform for "getting the word out". Wikipedia publishes articles about topics that are notable, with notability defined as significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Interviews aren't independent of the subject, so those sources don't count toward notability; they can be used only to verify statements he made. And InfoWars fails the reliability requirement; in fact it is blacklisted on Wikipedia so you couldn't link to it anyway; see WP:INFOWARS.

Articles on demonstrably notable topics are kept. Articles on non-notable subjects are deleted (or never started). If those outcomes are against his wife's wishes, there's really nothing she can do about it. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Dear Anachronist:

I agree that Wikipedia is not and should never start being a "memorial site". It is an excellent and unique encyclopedia. "Getting the word out" is an interesting idea. I do want to make Wikipedia's users and Internet searchers aware of his research findings. That is why I am interesed in creating a Wikipedia page for Alan Watt, an author whose main point was to suggest people think for themselves.

The essence of his notability, of the value of his findings, may ultimately lie in his findings themselves. Anyone who reads some of his findings can rationally decide if they are or are not "notable" and worth sharing on Wikipedia.

Do you see of a way his notability requirement could be fulfilled? The challenge is that because his research and his conclusions were so different, sometimes opposite the mainstream views that he stayed away from mainstream media.

The conundrum is that author Alan Watt was a mostly a recluse, but his research reveals the inner workings of the ruling elites throughout the ages. Inner workings conscious individuals like you would probably be very happy to become aware of.

I don't see a way to present some independent source as VALIDATING Alan Watt and his research findings. I see that his might be a similar situation as Galileo's who discovered some shocking facts, but the establishment put him under house arrest. The only light at the end of this tunnel we seem to be in might be for some Wikipedia judges to read at least one of Alan Watt's articles, or see the video I send you a link to, titled "Reality Check", and thinking for themselves see for themselves that Alan Watt knew things the more intelligent people will be grateful someone told them about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhrYRzvVssM&list=PL0273C286EBCA0464&index=1

All the best,

Charles

"Writing is Easy" Writing is easy (talk) 15:47, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Until you can grasp what "notability" actually means in the context of Wikipedia, I do not see a way forward. Please read the pages I lined to earlier if you haven't yet. Notability doesn't mean importance, it doesn't mean value, it doesn't mean validation. It means significant coverage by reliable independent sources, nothing else. I could self-publish a rock-solid plan for achieving world peace, which is undeniably important and has value, but if there is no coverage of my work, then it isn't notable. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:13, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I will be studying your quick and kind reply, Sir. Writing is easy (talk) 16:14, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Thinking about the coverage requirement, I wonder if it really means that in order for Wikipedia to display any statement, some major mainstream media outlet has had to have covered it. And that reminds me of a quote I read on the window of the Brooklyn College Library around 2007. It said something like: For it to be "newsworthy", it has to have been covered by a major media outlet. In order for a major media outlet to cover it, it has to be newsworthy". I am surprised that after so many years I remember a semblance of it.

And all that makes me wonder if some people are being narrow-minded and afraid of new views. Somebody has to be first. It also resembles a Catch-22 situation. It's "almost" like saying: "Hey, we invented the airplane!" And "The New York Times" or "Wikipedia's" editors saying, sorry, no major media has covered it so it is not newsworthy. Newsworthy, and notability, look, at this point, to me, arbitrary, thus closed-minded. Almost like a type of establishment club.

Also, some scholar said that even if he does not agree with someone's points of view, he supports their right to express them. Is Wikipedia a fact source for facts some entities have already arbitrarily, of course, approved? I do also see that not every whimsical idea and viewpoint would work in Wikipedia. But, perhaps I am biased because his findings make sense go me, I do think Wikipedia's readers would be glad and grateful they could read them there.

I admit, the situation is not black and white, it is not mathematical. It is subject to interpretation.

Thanks, Anachronist.

https://www.unomaha.edu/office-of-strategic-marketing-and-communications/public-relations/what-is-newsworthy.php

What is the meaning of the word anachronist?

a person or a thing that is chronologically out of place. especially : one from a former age that is incongruous in the present.

Respectfully, may I ask if you are you more into the past or the future? Writing is easy (talk) 16:34, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

There is no requirement that a media outlet be major or mainstream. We require only that it has a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy, and is independent of the subject it's covering. A media outlet often becomes "mainstream" by virtue of gaining public trust in its coverage of a wide variety of topics. But we have articles citing significant coverage in minor news outlets with a political bias (bias doesn't mean unreliable), in niche trade publications, in gaming websites, in academic books, in low-circulation scholarly journals, and other things that aren't considered mainstream; just look at the list of reliable sources in WP:RSP. As for my username, see the second sentence on my user page. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:47, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Sir. I will be thinking about what you were kind enough to inform me about. 2604:2000:6FC0:4:3161:7469:3434:D60C (talk) 23:10, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q90023730

https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?lang=es&q=Q90023730 Writing is easy (talk) 16:44, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Anachronist points out that you'd need "reliable source coverage of him that is independent of him". True. It means coverage of him that (i) is independent of him and (ii) is from what Wikipedia regards as reliable sources. Not what he, or you, or I would regard as reliable sources, but what Wikipedia would. As I gaze at his website, I sense that amassing such coverage would be difficult, if not impossible. -- Hoary (talk) 01:55, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

That website sure doesn't give you a confident feeling, does it? Lots of promotion of self-published works. Even the website about the Pacific Northwest tree octopus was more convincing. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:06, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

But the formatting/design has a certain period charm. (1996 or so, perhaps?). -- Hoary (talk) 02:12, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Hoary, his website is original-looking and unique. Originality and uniqueness are good.

Since you know Wikipedia, do you see a way we or I could fulfill that notability requirement? The catch or challenge is that because his research and his conclusions were so esoteric, so different or sometimes opposite the mainstream views, he stayed away from mainstream media. All that presents a conundrum. An author who was a mostly a recluse, but whose research reveals the inner workings of the ruling elites throughoutthe ages. Writing is easy (talk) 15:14, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

There's no conundrum at all. If he stayed away from mainstream media, it was only to avoid being found out, keeping his circle limited to people he was able to hoodwink. But from the way you're acting, it seems clear that he in fact craved coverage in mainstream media all along, and that the media wisely ignored him. TooManyFingers (talk) 00:27, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Wikiquote says "We limit ourselves to quotations which are notable. A quotation can be notable because it has achieved fame due to its enduring relevance to many people, or because it is attributed to a notable individual, or appeared in a notable work." Perhaps not a good fit for Alan Watt. -- Hoary (talk) 02:12, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I would just add that redlinks are not permitted on disambiguation pages, per WP:DDD. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:44, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Sports Stats sub pages

Hello! I'm a huge fan of sports Stats and I created an account mainly because I believe that's my area of expertise. Many many many moons ago when I was younger I used to edit some Wikipedia pages and certainly wasn't as into Stats as I am now. I know Wikipedia has certain standards for notability so I was wondering if it would be possible for more obscure stuff to use my User page for some fun Stats information. I've seen people create subpages using their user page and I want to learn how to do that and also think that would be a good way for me to practice things like learning how to make tables and such. If this is stuff that would be better served for not being on Wikipedia I completely understand too lol GoingToTheDisco (talk) 10:26, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Consider practice at your Sandbox. David notMD (talk) 11:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @GoingToTheDisco: Whatever you put on your userpage or any subpages in your userspace is going to need to be in accordance with Wikipedia:User pages for it to avoid being removed/deleted. Users are generally given a bit a leeway when it comes to what's allowed, but userpages aren't owned by users and egregious violations of WP:UPNO often end up tagged for speedy deletion (sometimes quickly). -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:20, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes understood! I think the sandbox idea sounds like a better option after further review lol. Or even a sports blog xD. Thank you for the suggestions!! GoingToTheDisco (talk) 00:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

​The sandbox idea is fine for messing around with tables and experimenting on how to use them in articles, but it wouldn't be appropriate for simply creating an page of sports stats just for fun or which has no value to the project as a whole. Something like that could end up being tagged for speedy deletion per WP:NOTWEBHOST. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:25, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Ethiopian Government Works

In some pages works of the Ethiopian Government are deemed Public Domain with the following reason: Important note: Works prepared by the Government of Ethiopia and its employees are prepared in a fashion for general news format and noncommercial publication and for public dissemination freely an equivalent to how laws and non-laws at the legislative and administrative ministerial positions are free and public in a general distributable format: and as such copyright laws usually do not legally apply for such a basis. I would like to use some footage in a documentary but my legal department is looking for a source for this information. Can anyone point me to an official Ethiopian government site/document that states this. He does not consider Proclamation No. 410/2004 on Copyright and Neighboring Rights Protection Part 1 Section 5 sufficient. 65.95.141.171 (talk) 19:56, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

That was added to Template:PD-Ethiopia a few months ago, by CtasACT. @CtasACT: can you explain? DS (talk) 23:59, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

@DragonflySixtyseven yes, the Ethiopian copyright rules stated by the Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Ethiopia do not really dive into the nuisances of the Ethiopian legal texts. But as mentioned by @Asilvering the general rules for copyright applicability found regarding Ethiopia can be read and administered through Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Ethiopia. However, an important part left out is that "forms of general use" even when "described, explained, illustrated or embodied in a work" (these are quotes from the legal text itself found here: Copyright and Neighboring Rights Protection Proclamation No. 410/2004, Ethiopia, WIPO Lex) are public domain under Part 1 Section 5 of the Proclamation No. 410/2004 on Copyright and Neighboring Rights Protection. Meaning works even when illustrated through photography, audio or works of such nature are public domain. Government works of Ethiopia are of such that they are merely for general use for news purposes whether propaganda or general information of government initiatives, policies, and debates forms, and projects, and as Proclamation No. 410/2004 on Copyright and Neighboring Rights Protection states verbatim any court, rulings or government decrees or laws are public domain as well as others mentioned previously. But to restate once more, works of nature which are simply for general use whether described through any type of work are generally noncopyrighted and as such non-applicable (for private individuals, a mathematician cannot copyright their equation) but it does not limit general use to only scientific but an all-encompassing term. However other parts of proclamation quite clearly defines that the usual private person(s) and businesses by nature of being of a separate function whether non-profit or for-profit businesses do have such rights, and as listed on have to expire for them to be public domain, which is of a completely different nature. But my last statement since the courts usually try claims of copyright infringement in fact all of recorded copyright suits have been initiated by private businesses and individuals, they have not been a precedent enough for the executive ministries to reiterate what the law states. And even after all that you don't seem to be satisfied, I would add again since Ethiopia doesn't have a treaty regarding intellectual protection with any country but within its own borders, meaning is not binding over 190 countries, and they would have an okay for your documentary. CtasACT (talk) 04:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

And whether part 1 section 5 is "sufficient" is really a personal consideration but as I stated, Ethiopian intellectual property which by record have been always administered for private person(s) and businesses or organizations: do not apply outside of Ethiopia, and even in Ethiopia there is no known court rulings stated government works cannot be considered "forms of general use" whether for the information for government policies, incentives, or projects or initiatives. Ethiopian intellectual property laws have always been applied for private person(s) and such, but for coat of arms or other insignias they have restrictions which are independent to intellectual property rules. CtasACT (talk) 05:04, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

We have information on Ethiopian copyright at c:Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Ethiopia. -- asilvering (talk) 03:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Potential advertisement - can anyone tag?

I believe the article Lycée International de Londres Winston Churchill reads like an advertisement, but I am unsure if I can tag it, not having many edits. Can I or do you have to be more experienced? SillySarah321 (talk) 20:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

@SillySarah321 The main problem with that article is that it cites no sources and I assume that the main source has been the website of the school. You can certainly add extra tags if appropriate: there is no qualification required. The worst that might happen is that someone else would revert your edit, or object to what is called "drive-by tagging" (see WP:TAGGING). Also, it would be helpful to explain on the Talk Page exactly what you think is wrong (or even try to fix it) but without suitable sources, fixing will be difficult. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:43, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, but it appears it has been resolved SillySarah321 (talk) 08:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for flagging this up, SillySarah321 (and good to see you here again!). Rather than tagging the article, I've rewritten it. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:07, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks an awful lot. Have a good day. SillySarah321 (talk) 08:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Adding images from an External site with unclear licensing terms

I'm refering to the Wikipedia Article "Burunga Massacre"

So I've taken note of the fact that no "proper" images ie. visual of the massacre is available on Wikipedia. I'd like to add some as there are some images on Google parsed from different sites. If I take an Article from India Today it does have the images I want but does not make its lisencing terms clear. It would be of much help if you could help in my efforts to document this massacre. Caesarian Cobol (talk) 15:32, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

For images, "unclear licensing" means "no". The only way you could use those images is with proof of written permission from the publisher of India Today. TooManyFingers (talk) 16:01, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

I was wondering if one could use it under 'fair use' since this is a massacre we are talking about and things are sensitive. If you could review it personally it be a great help. Thanks. 😊 Caesarian Cobol (talk) 16:41, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Finding out that the licensing is unclear IS a personal review. Using news images without clear licensing is definitely illegal. Wikipedia is not the place for "getting the word out". TooManyFingers (talk) 16:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for clearing stuff up. Caesarian Cobol (talk) 08:17, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Question about my page

Hi, my name is Eric Kessler. I searched for "Wikipedia Help" and was directed to this forum. Right now there is a Wikipedia article about me (just search for my name). Several of the details in the article are incorrect, including my title as identified in the first sentence. I haven’t been a senior managing director or in an executive role at Arabella Advisors since 2020.

The article only has five references, and of those five only one article is actually about me. There is also an "external link" to a site called InfluenceWatch that doesn't seem to be encyclopedic.

Given the above, I have a question that I'm hoping one of you can answer: Is it possible to ask for an article about yourself to be deleted? I'm flattered that Wikipedia thinks I'm important enough for a page, but given that the information on the page is incorrect and the sourcing is so thin, I have a hard time believing such an entry should exist. Any information you can provide (or resources you can point me to) would be greatly appreciated. Are there any other forums where biographical issues like this are discussed? EJKessler (talk) 18:30, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Your best bet it to likely go to the talk page and point out the errors (with sources backing your point, or pointing out how the current refs don't back the claims made in the article), and that things need to be updated. I've removed the InfluenceWatch link as obvious political nonsense. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Go to Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard and use it to propose changes. However, given the dearth of significant coverage about you, the Eric Kessler article could also be nominated for deletion. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

You can also nominate the article for deletion - taking a quick look at the available sourcing, it looks like it probably doesn't meet our guidelines for notability and should be merged into the Arabella Advisors article, though you'd want to do a more careful search before nominating. (As a general rule, we look for 2-3 reliable independent sources primarily about the subject, and interviews do not count here). The process is described at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion#How_to_nominate_a_single_page_for_deletion, or I can do it on your behalf. Rusalkii (talk) 19:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

I did a search on Google News and found a few obituaries for people with the same name, and this article, but that's all. I think it qualifies for WP:AFD. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

there are a lot of Eric Kesslers 69.181.17.113 (talk) 18:25, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, so why are you listing sources about all of them on the article talk page? Providing no analysis? That isn't helpful. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:42, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

I have nominated the article for deletion. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eric Kessler. Anyone is welcome to comment there. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you all for removing InfluenceWatch and nominating the article for deletion. As Anarchonist noted, there is very little existing coverage of me which is why I was so amazed that I had my own Wikipedia article. Would it be appropriate for me to comment on the deletion discussion? EJKessler (talk) 20:55, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

You are certainly allowed to comment, but in general it may be wiser to leave it alone if it is going your way. Wikipedians can react unpredictably to comments from article subjects, particularly on anything related to politics. MrOllie (talk) 21:00, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Just so you're aware of the process, a deletion discussion generally lasts for one week, after which the end date is either extended if there has been no participation, or the discussion is closed and the article is kept or deleted. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:17, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@EJKessler: as an expert on Eric Kessler, can you show us some WP:RS and third party URLs that have biographical information about you? For example Early life, Education, Family ? So, were you involved trying to ban Coors Brewing Company at a college? Most of the top of the search results that I can see are from conservative or Republican websites. 69.181.17.113 (talk) 17:08, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Um, if you read this discussion, it is clear that he prefers deletion of the article about him. Therefore he has no obligation to find sources. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:18, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the thoughtful responses and your input about the deletion process. I will stay out of the deletion discussion. I see that there are suddenly a lot of links being shared on my article’s Talk page, more than I can keep up with and many seem insubstantial or don’t even mention me. Under the list of Chicago resources especially, these links include quite a few that are not about me at all and focus on family members, including people who have passed. The whole thing honestly feels unsettling. EJKessler (talk) 20:15, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

your family is "early life" and where you came from. they are all related to you, found by searching your name and facts known about you. it seems you are a very wealthy person who prefers privacy, yet is involved in democratic politics facing vigorous republican opposition. 69.181.17.113 (talk) 20:48, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

it really should not feel that unsettling, all these links are already PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. you even had publicity in High School. ...69.181.17.113 (talk) 20:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Personally if someone dug up every bit of information publicly available about me and my family I would feel pretty unsettled, even if no one was doing anything wrong. Please try to avoid dumping dozens of tangentially related sources without any commentary on why they contribute to notability. Rusalkii (talk) 19:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

It appears that somebody googled "Kessler" and made a list of every link that showed up, but the only one that actually talks about you is already in the article Mrfoogles (talk) 08:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

How can we save our work without updating?

How can we save our work while continuing to edit, without refreshing or updating the entire page, especially when translating a page from English to Turkish? (Because I can't finish my translation sometimes and need to continue later on.) Thank you in advance for your help. DemirWikiTR34 (talk) 22:40, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, DemirWikiTR34, when you are working on a draft, you can hit the blue "Publish changes" button as frequently as you want. Cullen328 (talk) 22:47, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Cullen328 for your advises. I will follow them. DemirWikiTR34 (talk) 10:35, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

@DemirWikiTR34: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1236. As Cullen328 noted; the Publish changes button should be understood to mean "save and publish changes". —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:07, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

What I will typically do if I'm working on a longer section that would take multiple sessions to complete is copy the text over to my sandbox (see H:SAND) and just publish changes there until it's ready to be published on the actual page I'm editing. Not sure if that's common practice, though. Spookyaki (talk) 01:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Spookyaki, that is common practice and you can have multiple sandboxes for various topics if you want. Cullen328 (talk) 01:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Spookyaki. That's a very good idea. I'll apply it. DemirWikiTR34 (talk) 10:36, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Also, if you're using the WP:CXT tool, this will automatically save your changes, but not publish them anywhere until you're actually done. -- asilvering (talk) 02:57, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, DemirWikiTR34. I work on article drafts and major changes by using an offline document kept on my laptop. When I'm done I copy and paste my changes onto the Wikipedia article I'm editing. Karenthewriter (talk) 03:23, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Karethewriter. All your advices are really helpful for me. DemirWikiTR34 (talk) 10:37, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

drafting your articles first help keep them in check, also like Everyone has suggested. Make use of publish button to save recent changes, in case you would have to finish up later. Tesleemah (talk) 05:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

So, it appears that the options include a) working in Draft space and b) working in an offline (non-WP) document. To my knowledge there is not a 'save to draft' for main-space pages. This would be something dependent upon the wikimedia platform model that Wikipedia is working on, and it is possible that such a capability is being considered, but certainly not for a near-term release. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:54, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

The above suggestions are all sensible. You can also directly publish to main space, even if incomplete, as long as all current statements are verifiable thus far, with citations. Whether it is one or two lines long doesn't matter. There's a template {{Under construction}} to indicate you're actively working on it. I usually find it more motivating to force myself to "put it out there" instead if letting it collect dust in my drafts but will make a draft when I am not sure I have enough sources/time. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 10:39, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Under construction/doc tells us "In general, this template should not be used for new articles with little or no content." -- Hoary (talk) 11:03, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Question about copyright and images

Guten morgen. I apologise if this is not the right place, but I come here to ask about images about copyrighted characters. I notice that in the English Wikipedia, fair use is used much more liberally than in other languages--for instance, see the image used for Homer Simpson on here, vs the image used on Spanish Wikipedia [Homer Simpson]. That is to say, I want to know how copyright would work on Wikipedia regarding [1]this image I've made (Image description: Construction paper cutout of Kenny from South Park). I was hoping to upload it as an alternative, much like how Spanish Wikipedia uses graffiti images to represent characters, but I'm not sure how it would all go down. I saw one guideline against fan art of copyrighted characters, and the entire point of the fair use images here is to represent ideas where no free use alternative exists, but considering how Spanish Wikipedia has their graffiti images I want to know about how it works. Thank you. WeInTheUSA (talk) 05:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

WeInTheUSA, your question actually raises a number of questions. One is of the copyright status of the Homer Simpson photo you point to. Its uploader says that it's their "own work", but it's not clear from this whether the painting too is their own work. (I think that we can assume that the comic character the painting is based on is not their own work.) "Common sense" may say that we don't have to worry about such niceties because the photo's hosting at Commons (and its use in articles) demonstrates that its copyright status is OK. Wrong, as files hosted by Commons are often removed because of belatedly realized copyright problems. Maybe it's OK on Commons (imaginably it's a freedom-of-panorama matter), maybe not; the best place to ask is c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. Let's suppose for a moment that there are no copyright concerns (and for reasons other than freedom of panorama). We could infer that your picture of Kenny from South Park would also raise no copyright concerns. Then a question would be: Does en:Wikipedia want comic characters to be illustrated by people's imitations of authentic representations of those characters? (I have no idea.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

To clarify, if you made something and took a picture of it yourself, then you can release it under a free license on the Commons upload page; this lets it be used in any language Wikipedia without constraints. However, I don't know whether people would use it. Fair use basically does say "when there's no free alternative", but I think that "for the purpose of having the authentic representation rather than graffiti/paper cutout" counts as a "having no alternative justification." The image page always has a fair use justification. Mrfoogles (talk) 08:39, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

@WeInTheUSA: The fanart, the cutout, and the grafitti would each be considered a derivative work in the United States. Sometimes, commons will host things in error, even for years. For example, check out the DC Comics v. Mark Towle article. That's a court case where the court found that Batman's Batmobile "is the property of DC Comics and is entitled to copyright protection". And the lead image is a photograph of the exact thing it's saying would infringe on DC's copyright with the caption, "1960s batmobile similar to the one in this case". If you click through the image, it takes you to the Commons where it's in a category with a hundred or so other Batmobile photos, all of which also presumably infringe. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 14:13, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

What name for an article should I use?

Hello! I'm thinking about making articles for all administrative districts of municipalities with extended powers in Czechia (link to the list here). I already know how to make a pretty decent article, but the problem is here that the name for these administrative divisions is VERY long. For example, "Administrative district of the municipality with extended powers of Karlovy Vary" has about 80 characters, but the version with the official abbreviated form "AD MEP Karlovy Vary" also kind of doesn't sit well with me. What do you think? GreenWolfyVillager (talk) 14:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

@GreenWolfyVillager Welcome to the Teahouse. Would putting a qualifier in brackets after the keyword(s) be the best approach. E.g.: Karlovy Vary (administrative district) or perhaps Karlovy Vary (administrative district from 2003) sound like it would be appropriate and not easily confused with anything else?

I note there is already Karlovy Vary Region and a Karlovy Vary District, and I'm not sure I can appreciate the distinction at a quick glance, though.

However you approach this, it will be important to provide clarity in the lead of each article to exactly what unit type and date period this refers to. It can be incredibly easy to get bogged down trying to unravel the past and present administrative districts of many countries. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes there is a district of the city already, but the districts (okresy in Czech) were abolished as 2nd level administrative divisions in 2003, since then the AD MEP (Administrative districts of municipalities with extended powers) were established and now serve as the 2nd level administrative divisions. Both have the word "district" so I understand the confusion though. Thank you! GreenWolfyVillager (talk) 15:16, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

@GreenWolfyVillager What does extended powers mean? The current Wikipedia article and enclosed citation do not make that clear. The larger article could be shortened to Administrative districts of municipalities with extended powers in the Czech Republic (removing List of). But I am unclear why you'd want subdivision lists without first showing they are notable in of themselves. Currently this article does not satisfy WP:LIST specifically WP:NOTDATABASE. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 14:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Should this instead be an article ABOUT how Czech local political divisions were changed in 2003? TooManyFingers (talk) 16:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Fixing a malformed move request

With humility, I acknowledge that my technical side expertise is much less than my policy and subject matter expertise so I appreciate patience with what should be an ordinary matter.

I have malformed a move request here. How do I fix it so I can properly initiate the request? I am trying to edit in visual, as I am not so good at the formatting in source. Is visual the issue? JArthur1984 (talk) 15:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

No need to respond, as I have learned from another editor that my problem was the failure to remove nowiki. JArthur1984 (talk) 16:11, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Why was my additions removed?

The Wiggles I understand why their not constructive in my defense I was just simply correcting some of the information on them because it didn't reflect the current members and former members of this year Drward2022 (talk) 16:53, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

You failed to provide a reliable source for your changes. Please see WP:RS. Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:00, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Deleting an inactive WikiProject

I'd like to know if it's possible to completely delete a WikiProject from the site. I've noticed an inactive WikiProject, WikiProject Aramea that was made as a copy of WikiProject Assyria back in 2015. Very few edits were made to the WikiProject and many of its members were blocked indefinitely due to abusing multiple accounts or otherwise. Any answers or solutions are very much appreciated! Surayeproject3 (talk) 16:02, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

What problem would it solve to not have it anymore? TooManyFingers (talk) 16:16, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

@Surayeproject3, for things that don't fit into the other deletion/discussion processes, we use WP:MFD. Normally we don't delete old wikiprojects, but one that was a strange fork populated by socks may well be the sort of thing that MfD would vote to delete. -- asilvering (talk) 17:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

@Asilvering Thank you, I've just nominated it through MfD! Because this is my first time involved in the process, how long would discussions normally take before a consensus is reached on whether to delete or keep a page tagged MfD? Surayeproject3 (talk) 18:11, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

They'll run for at least 7 days. Then, if the discussion doesn't come to a clear consensus, it might get relisted a couple of times more. -- asilvering (talk) 18:16, 22 September 2024 (UTC)