User talk:Ms Sarah Welch/Archive 7

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Raga and Bihag

hi, i am writing you because you seem to have had a lot to do with the Raga article. Bihag has been languishing in the copyedit queue and I wonder ifI could persuade you to look at it or maybe identify someone who will? Elinruby (talk) 06:25, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Wikiproject

Hi, I see you've contributed a lot to oral tradition, would you be interested in joining a wikiproject on the topic? Kowal2701 (talk) 15:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Kautilya3, Offwiki canvassing thru emails and social media

This thread involved WP:OUTING another editor because as far as I can tell Kautilya3 has never linked to the external accounts you were posting. As such I have removed it and oversighted it. You can submit this evidence to ArbCom. Barkeep49 (talk) 18:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

@Barkeep49: : by email, or somewhere else? if email, which? Thanks, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 18:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes via email: arbcom-enwikimedia.org Barkeep49 (talk) 18:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

@Barkeep49: : Though I emailed the case to ArbCom many hours ago with additional evidence, I just found out Kautilya3 did state on en-Wikipedia, about a year ago, that @Kautliya33 on X/Twitter is his account. Seems, like me, you too were unaware of this. In the emailed ArbCom case, I included evidence to establish that the en-Wiki Kautilya3 is the same person as X/Twitter's Kautilya33. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 07:33, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes that is important. Given that information you may post at ANI with links to the Twitter account. I'd include a mention of the disclosure in your post so some other OS doesn't repeate what I did. Barkeep49 (talk) 18:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Aspersion

Hi, please provide evidence that I have tag-teamed with K3, JJ, and V93 or retract the unsubstantiated aspersion. TrangaBellam (talk) 07:29, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Read the case carefully and what I actually said. No aspersions there. What is your point here? Are you saying you never had off-wiki correspondence and never were friends with any of them? In the ANI case, you yourself wrote, "K3 with V93, me, and others, has guarded the [...]" – a Wikipedia article you allege suffers from "persistent attempts at whitewashing".

Kautilya3 and you have co-edited many articles. See, for example, the TP and articles such as when you joined an edit war to keep Kautilya3-favored flawed version; or, the editing history of the article and its TP where you apologized; etc.

There is nothing wrong with off-wiki correspondence and friendships. In some situations – such as access to peer-reviewed scholarly sources – it helps Wikipedia. In some situations, it harms. During proceedings, it is important for uninvolved independent reviewers to be aware of the relationships between the accused and his or her supporters, possible motives in a friend's or relative's testimony, or attempts to introduce straw man arguments and false consensus, and other potential conflicts of interest. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:58, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Are you saying you never had off-wiki correspondence and never were friends with any of them? - I am 'friends' with none on Wikipedia. In about the last three years — I do not have access to my wiki-communication before that —, I have corresponded with JJ only twice and only twice/thrice with V93. I guess our email frequency and the volume of our edits tell you something about our supposed hush-hush collaboration.

During proceedings, it is important for uninvolved independent reviewers to be aware of the relationships between the accused and his or her supporters - Once again, this is an aspersion because your usage of the words is meant to poison the well by implying that some (sort of) CABAL is at work. You might be interested to know that I and K3 have disagreed ample times and even reverted each other to the point of edit-warring — given your propensity at digging up diffs, I am certain that you can locate them if you try enough.

Leave my dynamics with K3, JJ, and V93. JJ has agreed with you on numerous occasions — far more than with me because we mostly do not edit in the same area — and he had awarded you multiple barnstars/wikilove; so, perhaps, they are a relative or a friend or a supporter or a ... of yours? It is quite amusing that JJ is supposedly a part of our cabal but not of your's! Do you see how silly this is? Of course, you know as well as me that all this is bluster which is intended to obfuscate than to clarify; other longstanding editors like Bishonen, OIDDDE, et al. have already weighed in — with views that appear to align with mine and JJ's — and not in your support.

I understand that you have come back to en-wiki after a rather long vacation — three years is an eon in internet-time — but I can assure you that contemporary policy requirements, especially on the need to prove DIFFs for aspersions, have not been (yet) done away with. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

• I ignore your tortuous arguments and assumptions, which you do without evidence / diffs. Here is what is relevant: you acknowledge you have corresponded off-wiki with Joshua Jonathan and Vanamonde93. You clarify that this has been infrequent in the last three years. You did not disclose your off-wiki correspondence with Kautilya3, who is the focus of the WP:Canvass and WP:COI case under scrutiny. You do mention, you "do not have access to [your] wiki-communication before that". Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 22:40, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
  • @TrangaBellam, Since this is an active discussion at ANI, I suggest you both to continue this discussion there. Thanks. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 06:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)