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Question from MV Moosa (12:47, 2 August 2024)

Hello Gråbergs Gråa Sång

I am new to Wiki and you are my assigned Mentor. Thank you! :)

A colleague of mine asked looked at my Wiki profile, (In my name which is Mohseen Moosa). He asked me to log on and repair/edit it because it was inaccurate not a proper reflection of my background, education and my bio history.

I did the edit a little while ago and a user said I must give sources. So I went back to instead to the edit on visual which shows my involvement in the edit. Another user then removed that edit.

They both have said I should ask an independent person to review my edit. Are you the right person to do that, or if not, how do I go about doing the edit.

I have not written anything incorrect or controversial, its just my own life story and short biography and its a very neutral, honest and fair bio.

Can you guide me?

I am happy to send it to you to have a look at it.

Kind Regards Mohseen --MV Moosa (talk) 12:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

@MV Moosa Hello. In short, stop editing the article. Take the time to read WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, WP:COI and WP:BLP. A WP-article about you is not supposed to be written by you, that is sort of the point of this website.

A WP-article about you is supposed to be a summary of published and cited WP:RS that are independent of you, it is not your social media, or part of your PR. No good published source, no article content. This [1] doesn't work at all because there are no cited sources, WP:PUFFERY and other reasons. "Because I say I am Mohseen Moosa" doesn't work here, that is what your own websites are for.

You can make suggestions at Talk:Mohseen Moosa, and if other editors think they are good, they may act on them at some point. This may not be quick, since almost everybody you "meet" here has WP as a hobby.

Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:53, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the guidance Gråbergs Gråa Sång .

I will place the edits on the talk page and wait for suggestions. That seems like a sensible way to do it. Please will you also have a look at it for me.

I was just recently made aware of the content by a colleague.

Some of the content on the page is just factually incorrect and makes WP look sloppy and unprofessional. Like for example, I AM NOT MARRIED TO DAPHNE NEETHLING!, she is my life partner, I never had a 5 year sentence!, my name is spelt incorrectly!, I was not born in Lenasia!, The reasons for the liquidation of African Romance are incorrectly cited! and there is a whole lot more to me than 9 years in politics! I am 61 years old. I am a winemaker, and a farmer etc ... LOL :)

So as you can see that WP is really sloppy if it persists with these kinds of inaccuracies and if they require "sources" to verify that I am not married to a person, or where I am born. How do I provide a source to show I am not married to a person, or that I was not born in Lenasia etc.

I am going to a dinner with friends now, I will upload my edits to the talk page after that.

Once again, thank you for your kind assistance.

Best Regards

Mohseen MV Moosa (talk) 15:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

@MV Moosa I will take a look. And yes, Wikipedia can often be sloppy and unprofessional, Wikipedians tend to edit what they please when they please. English Wikipedia has about 6,9 million articles and about 114 thousand active editors, so there is a lot of things that don't get a lot of attention. However we do like to get things reasonably right too, especially when it's about living people. Ping to @Materialscientist and @ToBeFree if you want to involve yourselves. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:17, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. I have removed the most severe issues and would hope for MV Moosa to make an edit request on the article's talk page for something more specific than replacing the entire article. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:58, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Btw, WP:A picture of you may be of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Question from Newforgood (15:59, 6 August 2024)

I am the founder of a brand of hop water, which is a non-alcoholic alternative to beer. (Food & Drink) I am therefore bias. I do however feel that there should be a Wikipedia page on "Hop Water." but there is not currently. It is s frequently searched term on Google and other search engines. Currently its the fastest growing style of beer in the US, but is small relatively at the moment. If a page is created, I would want it to be unbiased per Wikipedia guidelines. What is the best way to go about finding a neutral author? I made the mistake of hiring a neutral author on Upwork and the page was immediately taken down due to the credentials of that party, but not because it was biased. (as far as I can tell) Thank you in advance for your guidance. --Newforgood (talk) 15:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

@Newforgood Welcome! What are the 3-5 best sources you know that are at the same time reliably published (WP:RS), independent of people like yourself, and about hop water in some detail? This excludes blogs, wikis, hop water makers websites, etc etc. Fwiw, you caught my interest, I've edited kombucha a bit. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:08, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Btw, the default assumption around here is that anyone offering to edit WP for money is probably a WP:SCAM, but I don't know what you were promised. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:11, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

As an example, this is the kind of source that will make a WP-article "stick": [2]. One is not enough, but it's a start. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:14, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for supplying the link This is one of the many articles written about the hop water category. That article included my brand as well as many others. Should I just reach out to the authors who have published these stories and point out that there is not a Wikipedia page on "hop water" and see if they would be interested in independently publishing/ authoring one? Newforgood (talk) 16:27, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

@Newforgood I will take a shot at this, I'll get back to you within a week or so. WP is my hobby, so it won't cost you anything.

But again, feel free to mention/link any good sources you can think of. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:33, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Here is the work that the independent researcher did. This should help you with sources.

Hop water is a non-alcoholic carbonated beverage made by infusing hops into water, providing a non-alcoholic alternative to traditional beer. Unlike other types of non-alcoholic beer, hop water typically has zero calories with 0.0% alcohol, and is gluten free.

== History ==

Hop water first started selling in the early 2010s. Paul Tecker of H2OPS, a California-based company, introduced one of the earliest versions of hop water in 2014, using hops steeped in water to create a carbonated beverage with the bitterness and aroma of beer but without the alcohol content.

Subsequently, other breweries and beverage companies began producing hop-infused sparkling waters, leading to more hop water brands appearing in the market.

According to NielsenIQ, hop water is one of the fastest-growing drinks in the non-alcoholic beverage category. Notable hop water brands include H2OPS, Hoplark, Lagunitas, Sierra Nevada, Summer State HOP WTR, and Athletic Brewing.

== Preparation ==

It is typically made by steeping hops in water or infusing them into the beverage through various methods. Some brewers may use whole hop cones, while others utilize hop oil or extracts.

Additional ingredients such as yeast, citric acid, or natural flavors may also be added to enhance the taste of the beverage. The beverage is available in different flavors derived from the various hop varieties used in its production. Flavors can include citrus, pine, tropical fruit or floral, depending on the specific hops used.

== References ==

1.     ^ "Hop water: A new non-alcoholic beverage trend". NIQ. 2022-10-19. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

2.     ^ "WTH Is Hop Water & Why Is It So Popular?". Delish. 2024-02-13. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

3.     ^ Johnston, David (2023-06-28). "Is Hop Water the Best Non-Alcoholic Alternative to Beer?". Men's Journal. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

4.     ^ https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/andrew-coppolino-seltzers-1.6017623

5.     ^ Punch. "Your N/A Cocktail's Secret Weapon: Hop Water". PUNCH. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

6.     ^ "Hop Water: The Sober, Health-Conscious Alternative". Flavorman. 2023-03-29. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

7.     ^ Furnari, Chris. "Hoppy Hydration: Non-Alc Seltzers Made With Beer's Bittering Agent Provide Alternative To Alcohol". Forbes. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

8.     ^ "Is Hop Water the Best Non-Alcoholic Alternative to Beer?". Yahoo Life. 2023-06-28. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

9.     ^ Weitz, Grace (2023-08-15). "Hop Water Makes a Big Splash Into Non-Alcoholic Beer". Hop Culture. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

10.  ^ Sauter, Em (2023-10-09). "Why Hop Water is Great for Breweries and Consumers - All About Beer". Retrieved 2024-04-12.

11.  ^ https://nielseniq.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2022/10/32779-beval-hop-water-infographic-d02.jpg

12.  ^ Punch. "What Is Hop Water Trying to Be?". PUNCH. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

13.  ^ "Hop water: A new non-alcoholic beverage trend". NIQ. 2022-10-19. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

14.  ^ "Hop Water Isn't Trying to Be Beer. That's Why We Like It". The New York Times. 2024-01-05. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

15.  ^ Mason, Jessica (2024-04-09). "Siren taps into the hop water trend with first release". The Drinks Business. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

16.  ^ https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=97604746&caseSearchType=US_APPLICATION&caseType=DEFAULT&searchType=statusSearch

17.  ^ "Making Hop Water at Home! | MoreBeer". www.morebeer.com. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

18.  ^ Lambert, Amy (2024-01-16). "Hop Water – A refreshing sparkling minerally hopped infused water, with zero alcohol and zero sugar". Prancing Pony Brewery. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

19.  ^ Process, Mandy Naglich Taste of Home's Editorial (2023-11-06). "What Is Hop Water?". Taste of Home. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

20.  ^ "Hop Water". Brew Your Own. Retrieved 2024-04-12. Newforgood (talk) 17:39, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you in advance for tackling this and please take your own approach. Having a familiarization of Kombucha is a good background, considering that this is a beverage type that is unfamiliar to many. Hop water is different from Kombucha however in that it is not fermented. Both however are used as alternatives to alcohol. Best wishes. Newforgood (talk) 17:51, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

@Newforgood, Hop water is now an article. Like everything else around here, it's a work in progress. You (or your minions) should not edit it directly yourself (outside WP:COIADVICE), but you are welcome to make suggestions at Talk:Hop water. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:03, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Wow - that is a very robust start to the page. Nice work! The only suggestion is that I would spell out "low calories" instead of using "low-calory" Is that an edit I should or could make or am I too biased to suggest edits to this page? Newforgood (talk) 18:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Apologies - I have now noticed that advice is to not edit, but can make suggestions via talk. Thank you! Newforgood (talk) 18:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Btw, if you're in a position to take a pic like this [3], or perhaps a pic of hop water production, it would fit the article well. You can upload pics you have taken yourself with your own camera here:[4] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for that. I have uploaded 2 photos which I took with my iphone.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Newforgood#c-Wikimedia_Commons_Welcome-20240814174100

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Hop_Water_in_a_Glass.jpg Newforgood (talk) 18:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Your userpage

Popping in to say that I appreciated the quotes on your userpage - an interesting look at the project from the outside inwards and the inside outwards, presented without an commentary to detract from it. Rusalkii (talk) 04:32, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Rusalkii Thank you! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:24, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

ZM

As far as I can tell, there is no source that even mentions her marriage except in the context of the trainwreck of her divorce. I thought we had decided that there's simply no reliable coverage of her "personal life" and that we should just not mention anything about it until (the unlikely event that) some serious journalist takes a serious interest in it and she goes on the record. Like I say, I really don't want to get involved in a big controversy again. To me this seems like a simple "err on the side of caution" situation. Why include a source with such an explosive headline? Thomas B (talk) 21:03, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

IMO, this source is BLP-good for the statement, an ordinary newspaper. The accused/cleared by judge bit cancels itself out as I see it, but the rest is ordinary personal life stuff. The headline doesn't matter. Also, it adds some WP:N. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

How would you feel about discussing it at BLPN, separate from Jaydogg's proposal? I feel like there is a principle here: if the only way we know she was married and has a son is through an obviously sensational (and probably distorted) account of her divorce and custody battle, then we should simply not say anything about her family life. The "personal life" section is in constant danger of becoming a WP:COATRACK for WP:GOSSIP. Thomas B (talk) 06:38, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't mind, but thanks for asking! Can be seen as a NPOVN issue, but whichever you prefer. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:51, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

That People story is a great find! Can't we just leave it with that as our source and delete the Mercury piece? (I think the "update" date of the piece is misleading, however. It must have been first published in 2015-16, when she was 41.) Thomas B (talk) 10:15, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Good point on date, didn't notice that. What is a Wikipedian to do? I checked archive.org, but found no older versions.

As a matter of WP-principle, I consider The Mercury News to be the better source, and it's the one with 2016 in it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I understand that the MN article feels like better journalism. I think it is tainted by the acrimony, however, from BLP perspective. I don't think WP should be an archive of the worst things that have happened to people. I could be wrong about this as an interpretation of WP policy. I'll think about it a little more and then maybe ask the question at BLPN. Thomas B (talk) 11:04, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng 2001:44C8:44F0:4E9B:1DDF:AD51:9776:57B0 (talk) 08:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Elayne Harrington

Sorry for swapping sculpture -> sculptor. I didn't realise this was the name of the course, rather than a description of Harrington. I still think the wording of that sentence is clumsy but I don't immediately have a better way of expressing it. I was also in two minds about the ".... was herself homeless in periods" given one possible meaning. Maybe "... homeless at times" would be better? Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:37, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm still chuckling, thanks. "at times" is fine with me. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Question from Suchismita Pattannaik (07:03, 24 August 2024)

Hi Raydann,

Can you help me add and publish an educational institute page? --Suchismita Pattannaik (talk) 07:03, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

@Suchismita Pattannaik Welcome to Wikipedia. I don't know. Making an acceptable WP-article without having done any WP-editing is hard. WP:TUTORIAL is an intro on how to edit.

But your first hurdle is "can an acceptable WP-article about this educational institute be written at all?" Take the time to read WP:NORG. If you conclude, "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!" Move on to WP:Your first article. WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing may be of interest, and you can try asking for input at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools.

Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:18, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Question from Thewikiacwizard (11:02, 26 August 2024)

hello, i have wrote an article that has been flagged and am wondering what i can do about it? --Thewikiacwizard (talk) 11:02, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@Thewikiacwizard Hello! Assuming this is about one of the drafts noted at User talk:Thewikiacwizard, I can only guess since they're deleted and I have no idea on the content. Perhaps WP:NORG and WP:PROMO will have something helpful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:15, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

hello and thank you for your reply. It was deleted so i wrote another article that complies better with the regulations however not it is being reviewed but it is saying that there is a problem with the citations. Are you able to see the pending approval of my article or help me concerning this topic. thanks1 Thewikiacwizard (talk) 11:19, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@Thewikiacwizard I can see Draft:Community-Driven Coins in Cryptocurrency, at least for now. It largely lacks inline citations, is full of WP:PUFFERY and afaik crypto-websites like WP:COINDESK are in general not WP:RS. WP is for example not interested in what BlackAura has to say about itself, it's interested in what CNN and WSJ has said about it. This is not a subject that interests me, but you can try to ask for input at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cryptocurrency. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Question from SUGIRA Erasto on Wikipedia:User pages (18:09, 26 August 2024)

hi can i put AI in my html code --SUGIRA Erasto (talk) 18:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@SUGIRA Erasto Sorry, I have no idea. Try Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:50, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Request for guidance

Hello, my name is Esther. You created my Wikipedia page in 2022. I'm reaching out because I'd like to focus on creating pages and or uploading images of Caribbean persons of note. Would you be interested in providing guidance on how to do so, or supporting by starting the pages? I'm in the beginning stages of the project, but I'd like to start laying the groundwork.

Thanks in advance for your consideration and I look forward to your response. Esther EstherGriffith (talk) 20:25, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@EstherGriffith Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! Did I..? Ah yes, the Wiki Unseen artist, Esther Griffith.

Creating an acceptable WP-article without any experience in WP-editing is hard. It is recommended that you stick around awhile and edit existing articles to try to get a hang of this place. WP:TUTORIAL can help you with that, and learning how to add references correctly is essential, I can't stress this enough. Really. No good sources (WP:RS), no article content. This is even more important if you intend to write about living people, see WP:BLP. A WP-article about a person is supposed to be a summary of WP:RS independent of that person, WP:ABOUTSELF sources have a very limited use here.

If you have a subject in mind, read WP:BACKWARD. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!", move on to WP:YFA. If the sources don't exist, you can't make a WP-article on that subject, so pick another subject. More at WP:N, the "rule" for "Can I make a WP-article about whatever-it-is?"

On pictures, WP and Commons, where we keep the "free" pictures, are both very strict on copyright. You can upload pictures you have taken yourself with your own camera, and so can other people, but there is a lot of devil in the details. The basic assumption is that any random pic you find online is under copyright and can't be used here (again, devil in the details). More details at Commons:Licensing and WP:A picture of you.

Hope this helps some. It may interest you that Wikipedians had some discussion about one of your pictures in 2022. When Wikipedians disagree, we must talk:

• Talk:Asquith_Xavier#Wiki_unseen_image
• Talk:Asquith_Xavier#Request_for_comment_on_images_in_this_article

Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Regarding AFC Crewe Deletion

I'm not involved in the club t any more extent than i am involved in local football in my area of the country. I understood the club the club to meet notability guideline having played in the FA Cup yesterday meeting the criteria: Country-specific criteria:

England: Clubs that play or have played at step 6 of the National League System (level 10 of the English football league system), or in the FA Cup, FA Trophy, FA Amateur Cup or FA Vase generally meet WP:GNG criteria.

How much more does the club need to do to be considered notable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iblethebible (talk • contribs) 09:49, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@Iblethebible New discussions goes on the bottom of a talkpage, so I moved this one. You need the sources that makes the Wikipedians who look at them think "Good enough for WP:N/WP:NORG." I suggest that if you want more input on this, you try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football, and if you want to try again, submit a draft for review per WP:AFCREVIEW.

If you want, you can ask if the closer of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AFC Crewe (2nd nomination) (Liz) is willing to restore the deleted article to your draftspace, and you can keep working on it there. Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:19, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for moving it. I have messaged the closer, i thought i should also mention it to you as you seemed very keen to have the article deleted even though it met the notability guideline I mentioned above. Iblethebible (talk) 10:22, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Well, I started the afd, so if that counts as "keen", sure. Other editors disagreed with you that it met GNG. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

It met the main GNG yesteday when the club played in the FA Cup though? Iblethebible (talk) 10:30, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Where at WP:GNG does it say "FA Cup"? It's not about what an org does, it's about what independent WP:RS write about they do. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:34, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:NFOOTY

Country-specific criteria:

England: Clubs that play or have played at step 6 of the National League System (level 10 of the English football league system), or in the FA Cup, FA Trophy, FA Amateur Cup or FA Vase generally meet WP:GNG criteria.

And this https://www.thefa.com/competitions/the-womens-fa-cup/results is not Wikipedia:RS in spite of it seemingly being so on many other articles? Iblethebible (talk) 10:41, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

"Generally", so that means that if a club has been in the FA cup, you can probably find the sources demanded at WP:GNG. If you can't, you can't. Also read the "This is an essay on notability. It contains..." box at the top of that page. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:47, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't know why i bother donating to wikipedia. I spent lot's of time making that article. Meticulously finding, adding and editing sections, sources and links as well as citing multiple reputable sources.

An articloe cannot be made because of one reference to a famous perosn so the Ronaldo pages were added as a single sentence. The club must have played in the FA cup evidenced last night just before deletion today. Clubs in its league must also have articled aswell as the league itself having articles, this is the case. Multiple in depth articles referencing the club. All of this has been completed and referenced.

What more must be done before you specifically consider it notable or should i just give up? Iblethebible (talk) 10:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

You need the sources that makes the Wikipedians who look at them think "Good enough for WP:N/WP:NORG." I don't think we'll get any further at this point. But things change: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Meghan Markle. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Okay so the implication is they will be notable when they are at the highest possible level of fame and notoriety?

Over 8000 articles on wikipedia and AFC crewe is likened to a pre royal Meghan Markle Iblethebible (talk) 11:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Btw, if you think Liz got the close wrong, you can try Wikipedia:Deletion review. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

I have messaged her, you nominated the article i felt it necessary to address you as well with my concerns. It seems admins have a vendetta against the club which has many sources and is more notable than other clubs which have articles. Iblethebible (talk) 11:00, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

help to have a better wiki page

Hello here @Gråbergs Gråa Sång, Thank you in first for the amazing work you do. can you please helpp the community to fix the wiki page of the Italian supermodel Fabio Mancini? I actually don't know how it works and I'm sure you'll work on it better with rules. because someone vandalise always the page with errors.

here the page: Fabio Mancini

thank you a lot, you did a great job for the community 151.72.221.34 (talk) 09:09, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

For any WP-article about a person, you are supposed to summarize (and cite) independent WP:RS about that person. WP:ABOUTSELF sources are not of much use. Afaict, there's not a lot to improve the article with, but I haven't looked that hard. If you have suggestions of good sources to use, you can comment at Talk:Fabio Mancini. WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing may be of interest to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:22, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

WP:NPP

I assume you've already been pestered to join NPP, probably several times, so I won't drop the whole spiel on you. Take this instead as one more nudge. -- asilvering (talk) 16:34, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Nudge acknowledged! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:43, 7 September 2024 (UTC)