User talk:Eylon Shachmon

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Happy editing! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:44, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:44, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for clarifying it, I didn't understand the rule very clearly before.

(I do believe tho that "murder isn't a war crime" is a valid change request, I won't put it back but I will ask you if you can to consider changing it) Eylon Shachmon (talk) 10:37, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can place a single edit request on the talk page asking for it to be changed, but you cannot take part in any discussion that proceeds after your request. That will bring your concern to those who edit the article. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:07, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:EDITXY for edit request guidance. Selfstudier (talk) 18:10, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously, read the comment you just replied to, they specifically said I can leave an edit request Eylon Shachmon (talk) 18:23, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did read it, couldn't decide if it was a speech or a lecture, anyway, it is already being discussed. Selfstudier (talk) 18:30, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am aware that general topic is being discussed, my suggestion was not starting the discussion anew, it was a small change to the current version, which in my opinion is uncontroversial. The fact that the current version is not agreed upon does not mean it should be frozen until a new version is agreed.

Sorry if I was being unclear, I am not entirely sure how it looks from you end, but when I said "the comment you just replied to", I meant in this discussion page, not my edit suggestion, you might have not intended for you message to be a reply to this comment chain.

That message was by an admin(I think) regarding a different protected page, he said I can leave edit suggestion if they are according to Wikipedia's guidelines, but not participate in the general discussion. Eylon Shachmon (talk) 18:41, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know, why my comment below.

The fact that the current version is not agreed upon does not mean it should be frozen until a new version is agreed It kinda does at that page, there is a "consensus required" established there. Selfstudier (talk) 18:45, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There may be consensus, you can't know if you delete the suggestion :/

I wasn't suggesting to change a major thing, just remove a single line because it was too strongly worded.

Can you please put it back and let's see if someone opposes it? Eylon Shachmon (talk) 19:03, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Put it back yourself and do it as a proper edit request (no speech, no reasons, just a straight up edit request) (which I will then refuse to implement, and then see if someone else wants to discuss that).

Given that it is actually under discussion already, I'm curious to see what there is to gain by this effort. Selfstudier (talk) 21:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any reason not to put the reasoning? Eylon Shachmon (talk) 12:06, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it needs to be explained, then it is unlikely to be a simple edit request and will need consensus anyway (which is why it is already being discussed). I guess you should understand the idea behind this restriction is to encourage editors to gain the 500 edits elsewhere so that they can make such edits themselves? Selfstudier (talk) 12:19, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The thing I reverted, that is. Selfstudier (talk) 18:30, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]