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Ludwig Wittgenstein spam

Hi Andrew, granted the http://www.wittgenstein-portal.com plausibly has some value, but the http://wittgenstein.pagina.nl link I'm quite sure is spam. I suggest you look at the anon's talk page and edit history - pagina.nl seems to be a link farm they are running. Wikipedia doesn't encourage external links, except when they are particularly informative or germain to the topic. See also Wikipedia:spam and WikiSpam. You might then reconsider whether the links are desirable. -- Solipsist 21:44, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Nonsense about Russell

I am glad you got rid of the nonsense about Wales that has appeared before. Russell, of course, lived in Wales for a time, but he was most definitely a son of England, as were generations of Russells before him. Best... icut4u

Miles Davis

Looks like you've done much to improve the Miles Davis article. I'd like to point out two things, though: headings should be in lower case (Wikipedia:Manual of Style (headings)), and you needn't disambiguate album names if there's no ambiguity, e.g. it could probably just be Miles in the Sky, instead of Miles in the Sky (album).--Ferdinand Pienaar 20:31, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Brummie

Andrew, have you put the dispute procedure into action yet? The situation is ridiculous. Nick is strangling the development of the article, and serious linguists aren't going to post anything when it's instantly reverted. 195.92.67.67 06:00, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

If Nick doesn't start acting more reasonably in the very near future, I'm going to apply for mediation. I asked to have the page locked about a week ago, but the administrator who dealt with it didn't think the situation was serious enough yet. --Andrew Norman 11:19, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm trying to stress the point that this is about Wikipedia standards. Ideally, nearly all the dialect examples should be binned for having no verification - see no original research - and in any case we shouldn't have to pussy-foot around feeling every change has to be negotiated with one editor. 195.92.67.76 23:43, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunately I think Nick has a way to go before he even has a basic grasp of academic standards (in the loosest sense of "academic") and providing references (I'm marking final year degree reports this week so I'm a little touchy about that sort of thing, but he's not bothering to justify anything). It's a pretty good illustration of the reason why people who come from a particular group are often incapable of providing an objective description of that group. --Andrew Norman 08:29, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Andrew, thankfully your bias towards Birmingham has been exposed and we now have an excellent Brummie article despite your interest in portraying that article to suit your own misguided arogant opinions, I am surprised that you are involved with "marking final year degree reports this week" nice to see you giving priority to the people who have worked hard on their degree work. "It's a pretty good illustration of the reason why people who come from a particular group are often incapable of providing an objective description of that group" ~ you are a very amusing man. 195.92.67.68 17:28, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

I'm assuming that this is User:Nick Boulevard, who has taken a well over a week to decode the phrase "being a bit of a chauvinist I bristle at this sort of thing" (denigration of Birmingham), and has finally realised that I have do indeed have a bias towards Birmingham (but not the sort of insecure chauvinism which can't bear the thought of anyone having ever thought ill of the city, and attempts to distort the truth accordingly). Or perhaps he still hasn't understood, and as so often his words don't say what he thinks they do (I loved the bit on the Birmingham page, now happily deleted, about HMS Birmingham being the first Nazi U-boat to be sunk in the first world war - two glaring historical errors in one sentence!). --Andrew Norman 19:35, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

"I'm assuming that this is User:Nick Boulevard, who has taken a well over a week to decode the phrase "being a bit of a chauvinist I bristle at this sort of thing" (denigration of Birmingham)" ~ ha, ha... (shakes head in utter disbelief) Andy, I'm really sorry for you, I think you have seriously underestimated the integrity of wikipedia members including myself here, you're an ok guy but I honestly think you need to address your insecurities over Birmingham no mater how you try to tie up your own words :) if it was a Brummie girl that hurt you then I am genuinely sorry otherwise??? Nick Boulevard 00:01, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

"I have do indeed have a bias towards Birmingham (but not the sort of insecure chauvinism which can't bear the thought of anyone having ever thought ill of the city, and attempts to distort the truth accordingly" Andy, I love Brum but I am fully aware of its downfalls like all other major conurbations across the world, I wouldn't be a brummie if I didn't endevour to address your points :). Nick Boulevard 00:01, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

"(I loved the bit on the Birmingham page, now happily deleted, about HMS Birmingham being the first Nazi U-boat to be sunk in the first world war - two glaring historical errors in one sentence!). --Andrew Norman 19:35, 15 May 2005 (UTC)" ~ mmm, how interesting, it was pigs on the wing (member Andy Mabbot) who deleted that sentence which was actually 100% corect? nice one Andy ;) Nick Boulevard 00:01, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

You really think HMS Birmingham was a Nazi U-boat and that there were Nazis in the first world war? Bonkers. I am a Brummie myself, by the way. I have no insecurities about Birmingham, which is why I'm able to deal with hearing both good and bad things about the city I love. This obsession you have with my supposed wish to do the city down is all a product of your overactive imagination. Both pages now reflect the balanced viewpoint you were trying to suppress, thanks mainly to someone who due to your behaviour is only prepared to edit anonymously. --Andrew Norman 06:30, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Andy you get my back up with your arrogance, because of this any genuine mistakes are overlooked and the focus of my attention is directed at the fact you are removing work, why can't you discuss it sensibly on the talk page instead of removing and then playing the victim, when you finally ARE forced into discussion you either talk around me or become condesending when there really is no need, I am sure your an ok person but try and respect that you do not have complete and utter control of these articles, the Brummie article is great and brummagem is definately getting there and you can believe what you want about why the articles are improving I don't care about that, all I care about is that the articles are balanced and correct. :) Nick Boulevard 18:06, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

P.S. You are right about the Nazzi U-boat claim (I certainly did not think the HMS Brum was Nazi U-boat?), well done for picking that up, It was Royal Navy light cruiser HMS Birmingham that sank the first German U 15 U-boat in the first battle of the atlantic in the Great War. Nick Boulevard 18:06, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Andrew: RfC re Nick Boulevard under way, and needing signatories who've "tried and failed to solve the dispute" at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Nick_Boulevard if you're interested. RayGirvan 21:04, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well actually I think that my last comment on this page is a perfect example of how I do actually get on with oposing users (in the end), besides if it wasn't for my stirring up of both the Brummie and Brummagem articles they would still be quite poor IMO, whereas now they are quite advanced and revrts are minor, by the way Ray, why did you take praise for sorting out disputes on the Brummie article when as I recall it was an annonymous user? Nick Boulevard 22:13, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That's a fairly jaw-dropping rewrite of history. I came in via a Wikiquette Alert posted because you had stalled the article, and the whole thing could have been rehashed to its current state in a day or two if you hadn't continued to impede edits. I'm not taking sole credit; others helped. RayGirvan 00:08, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sorry but you have just stated that "I came in via a Wikiquette Alert posted because you had stalled the article" You agree then that you would not have reached Brummie article and ultimately contributed to it had I not stalled it (your words) IMO the article was one sided and naff, I stirred it up including the fake accent and many brummie speakers which later was professionaly edited by an annonymous user into an easily readable wiki page, we all contributed to the article full stop :) Nick Boulevard 16:12, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

So in short, your vandalism and obstructiveness are actually constructive? As Ray says, a staggeringly twisted view of reality. You are kidding yourself if you think you "get along with" me, too - but you seem to be pretty good at kidding yourself. Adding a smiley to an insult doesn't reduce the insult. Please don't pollute this page again with your drivel. --Andrew Norman 16:25, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

To be honest Andrew, it seems from your last post that you are an abusive person with little respect as can clearly be seen from the contributions to Brummie article that were removed. "drivel"... that really is pathetic, get a grip of yourself man. Nick Boulevard 10:07, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)