Talk:Wingtech

Wingtech

Wingtech is not an SOE. There seems to be an effort to label it that way, but the SOE definition for Wiki is really clear, and Wingtech does not meet those. DavidRJD (talk) 00:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Multiple WP:RSes have pointed out that WingTech is partially state-owned. We follow what WP:RSes say on Wikipedia. Also, you have already declared that you are associated with Nexperia, a subsidiary of WingTech. Due to that WP:COI, you probably should not be editing these articles directly and should be following WP:COIEDIT. - Amigao (talk) 00:23, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Could you let me know what those sources are? There is an older article, but I can see nothing indicating Wingtech. I've provided the citations from sources you requested to clarify the ownership. DavidRJD (talk) 00:26, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

DavidRJD, you previously referenced The Wire China in your edit summaries, which lays out some of the state ownership of WingTech here. Also, here are a few more sources (1, 2, 3) that describe WingTech as having partial state ownership. - Amigao (talk) 00:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I never referenced the Wire China. The articles you cite all have a minority ownership -- the one from 2021 says 30%, and the one from 2022 says less than 20%. I think we may be getting on the same page. Wingtech was reported to have investment from local municipalities (including the Wuxi City Government (9.74%), the Kunming City Government (5.67%), and the Yunnan Provincial Government (5.2%)), but it was not owned by or controlled by the Chinese Government (any more than I am a partial owner of Intel). How about we use the information from your sources to be accurate? DavidRJD (talk) 00:52, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

You indeed referenced The Wire China in your own edit summary here. - Amigao (talk) 00:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

So I take it you agree with the proposed changes? DavidRJD (talk) 01:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

The optimal way for a COI editor to propose changes is with Template:Edit COI. - Amigao (talk) 01:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I adopted precisely the language from the article you provided. DavidRJD (talk) 04:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Stop editing the article directly. Any further abuse of this point (on either this article or Nexperia) and I will ask an admin to block you. Axad12 (talk) 05:23, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I've already asked an admin to jump in. Let us get some help to resolve this. DavidRJD (talk) 05:24, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Remove State Owned

Remove: "State Owned"

Reason: Wingtech is not a state-owned Entity. Calling something a SoE in China implies it is not is designed to harm the company and is not accurate. It would be correct to say a small percentage is owned by local governments, but your label is inaccurate.

Links to support: https://fintel.io/so/cn/600745, https://simplywall.st/stocks/cn/tech/shse-600745/wingtech-technologyltd-shares/ownership, https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/WINGTECH-TECHNOLOGY-CO-LT-9950161/, and all are current as of today. DavidRJD (talk) 05:39, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Relevant background to this procedurally incorrect COI edit request can be found at COIN (here [1]) and at the user's talkpage. The matter seems to be disputed by user:Amigao. Axad12 (talk) 05:43, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia Admins ask us to discuss issues here and try to resolve them. Do you have any issue with the statements above? DavidRJD (talk) 05:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I take no sides on the issue, I simply note that it is disputed by another editor (who I believe has elsewhere provided sources which support their position). I also believe you have a significant COI that you refuse to disclose - which is relevant information when a user makes an edit request.

My only interest here is in fair play. Axad12 (talk) 05:52, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I've disclosed my association with Nexperia but have no connection with Wingtech. I am not paid, in any way, by any entity for these edits. My reasons for this edit are personal, as I have seen what happens when you start placing "State-owned" or "SoE" onto entities. Words matter, and labels matter even more. DavidRJD (talk) 06:28, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Remove Ownerhips by the "State-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission of the State Council"

Remove: "State Owned"

Reason: Wingtech is not a state-owned Entity. Calling something a SoE in China implies it is not is designed to harm the company and is not accurate. It would be correct to say a small percentage is owned by local governments, but your label is inaccurate.

Links to support:  https://fintel.io/so/cn/600745, https://simplywall.st/stocks/cn/tech/shse-600745/wingtech-technologyltd-shares/ownership, https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/WINGTECH-TECHNOLOGY-CO-LT-9950161/, and all are current as of today. The entity cited entity does not own or control Wingtech. The fact that it is a publicly-traded company with reporting requirements [2] and those further show that it is not a state-owned asset. DavidRJD (talk) 05:44, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

See additional posts in the duplicate request directly above this one. Axad12 (talk) 05:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

To demonstrate my commitment to fair play, did you really mean to say (in the final sentence above) "it is now a state-owned asset"? I assume you meant 'not' rather than 'now'? Axad12 (talk) 06:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Yup, that is correct. I appreciate you pointing it out.

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We all have biases. I want accurate information because many rely on WIki as a primary source. DavidRJD (talk) 06:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)