Talk:Western Deffufa
 | This article is rated Stub-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||
| ||||||||||||||||||||||||
Date of construction dispute
[edit]Hello, according to your own sources on the article, it does not predate the oldest sites found at other regions of the continent, and the temple is thus not the earliest structure in Africa.
"A 65-foot-tall mudbrick temple known as the Deffufa was constructed some 4,000 years ago as the spiritual center of the ancient Nubian capital of Kerma in northern Sudan."
https://archaeology.org/issues/september-october-2020/features/sudan-kerma-nubian-kingdom/ - Archeology Magazine
"The large mudbrick structure in the back is called the “deffufa”—it’s the center of the temple area of the ancient city and is about 4000 years old."
https://sites.lsa.umich.edu/nubia/2022/03/28/a-visit-to-kerma/ - University of Michigan Humanities Collaboratory
You are currently attempting to push a contrary, and false POV by trying to make it the oldest. Moreover, that second link you added here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Great_Deffufa&diff=prev&oldid=1248233056 was about the dates of certain Egyptian pyramids, not that of the Great Deffufa.
https://www.si.edu/spotlight/ancient-egypt/pyramid - Smithsonian
Further Than Beyond (talk) 12:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I see what you are saying now, thank you for clarifying :-) Afrodiplomacy (talk) 16:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
"The" Great Deffufa
[edit]I don't see the point of the presence of the article in the title. Any reason not to move the article to "Great Deffufa"? Lone-078 (talk) 13:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Use of "The" in "The Great Deffufa" is significant because there are three main deffufas in the ancient city of Kerma, but the Great Deffufa is the largest and most prominent. I think including "The" emphasizes its uniqueness and stature, distinguishing it from the other deffufas. Without "The," it would be less clear that this particular deffufa holds a special place in the historical and architectural landscape of the region. Afrodiplomacy (talk) 16:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Despite your claim, neither "The Great Deffufa" nor "Great Deffufa" gets little more than this article on Google, while "Western Deffufa" gets hundreds of hits. I suspect you are deliberately trying to impose a name of your choice as the title of a Wikipedia article. Even if this were not the case, Wikipedia:Commonname imposes the latter title. Lone-078 (talk) 17:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- They are different structures. The Western Deffufa is about 59ft, and Great Deffufa is 65ft as noted in the original citation. I was on field visit to The Great Deffufa, which was discovered only four years ago, so there’s limited information online. Locals refer to it as "The Great Deffufa," which is why I used that name. How do you suggest including local knowledge in our discussions online? How can the different Deffufas be distinguished as they are not the same. Afrodiplomacy (talk) 18:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Your original citation never mentions a "Great Deffufa", and this, together with what you said about what the locals call it, is basically a declaration of WP:original research. Your link contains instead the picture of a structure coincidentally identical to the one that commonly comes up by googling "Western Deffufa" and which is always identical to that of the photo already present on Commons. If there is limited information online after a good 4 years from the alleged discovery of this new Deffufa (which your link makes no mention of), it is sign that it does not deserve an article on en.Wiki yet. And local knowledge is far from being reliable and acceptable sources here; future reports on the excavations published in peer-reviewed journals are welcome. Lone-078 (talk) 19:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is substantial documents on these structures that deserve an article on wiki. We can leave the name for now as we take time to build it out and present existing evidence to shape the topic better. I haven't had the time yet to build it out further Afrodiplomacy (talk) 20:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Your original citation never mentions a "Great Deffufa", and this, together with what you said about what the locals call it, is basically a declaration of WP:original research. Your link contains instead the picture of a structure coincidentally identical to the one that commonly comes up by googling "Western Deffufa" and which is always identical to that of the photo already present on Commons. If there is limited information online after a good 4 years from the alleged discovery of this new Deffufa (which your link makes no mention of), it is sign that it does not deserve an article on en.Wiki yet. And local knowledge is far from being reliable and acceptable sources here; future reports on the excavations published in peer-reviewed journals are welcome. Lone-078 (talk) 19:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- They are different structures. The Western Deffufa is about 59ft, and Great Deffufa is 65ft as noted in the original citation. I was on field visit to The Great Deffufa, which was discovered only four years ago, so there’s limited information online. Locals refer to it as "The Great Deffufa," which is why I used that name. How do you suggest including local knowledge in our discussions online? How can the different Deffufas be distinguished as they are not the same. Afrodiplomacy (talk) 18:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Despite your claim, neither "The Great Deffufa" nor "Great Deffufa" gets little more than this article on Google, while "Western Deffufa" gets hundreds of hits. I suspect you are deliberately trying to impose a name of your choice as the title of a Wikipedia article. Even if this were not the case, Wikipedia:Commonname imposes the latter title. Lone-078 (talk) 17:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)