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Srpski Cigani @ Ellis Island

@Netherzone

I am the one who uploaded the picture on Commons yesterday, you can take a look at the description. If you zoom closer at the bottom of the picture you can clearly read "Servian gypsies". That's what I trust the most, rather than captions added by Third parties who were not involved in taking the picture.

Though, knowing Balkaners and their disdain for Romani people, they'd like to pingpong each other the shame of having these filthy gypsies originate from their country. Synotia (moan) 10:15, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Woops not the same picture, though it's the same people. Here, take a look. Synotia (moan) 10:29, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Synotia, Must you really include an ethnic slur with your comment above? It does not help to improve the encyclopedia.

We do not know who wrote the caption on the front of that specific print by Augustus Frederick Sherman, there were many prints made and to my eyes it appears to read as Slovenian, not Serbian. There is a lot of debate as to the "correct" caption.

Having said that I agree that Serbian is most likely correct given this comprehensive historical research of the image and information on the Ištvanović family that is depicted (name Latinized to Estevanovich), who were "most likely Rudari Roma originating from the city of Šabac in northwestern Serbia, their surname had been latinized as 'Estevanovich' after migrating to Argentina" (Also Latinized to Stevanovich). It's a long and interesting read, worth the time it takes: [1]. Source: Let Me Get There: Deanonymizing Sherman and Hine's Photographs, by Louis Takás. Netherzone (talk) 15:35, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting that someone took the effort to find out who these folks were. Haven't read it all, but I don't think it denies that this picture was taken on Ellis Island. I doubt photographers followed them back to Serbia or Argentina or wherever. Synotia (moan) 10:21, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Augustus Frederick Sherman was one of the official Ellis Island photographers. Yes, we not only know they are Serbian Roma, we know it was made at Ellis Island and who the photographer was, and that it was made in 1904 not 1905; we know the family members names, and that part of the family was deported but other members of the family ended up living in Montana and California or South America. I don't think that we should say they were all deported, because that is unclear. We also know they were "Most likely Rudari Roma originally from the city of Šabac in northwestern Serbia". It's an important historical photograph, so it might be worth noting the photographer in the caption and including the citation above for the backstory on this Serbian Roma family. Netherzone (talk) 15:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]