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@Eccekevin restored a former description of an anecdote Steel related, and relocated it to the personal-life section. I think these changes are misguided, as follows:
The anecdote is utterly non-notable with respect to Steel's personal life, which in any case is minimal in this article. Illustrating Steel's strong prejudice against marriage equality is what makes the anecdote notable, viz: she was so offended by her college daughter's support for marriage equality that she transferred her daughter to another college. Absent that aspect, there is no reason to include it. Thus the anecdote belongs in the section describing her position on LBGTQ rights.
The editor wanted to restore a brief quote using the word "brainwash". This distracts from the point and is unfair to boot. There are reliable sources documenting her prejudice against marriage equality, her anecdote illustrates the strength of her opposition congruent with what sources say. There are no sources documenting Steel taking positions in favor of brainwashing. It merely an artless phrase she used once. I think people like to include the word for "har har, yuk yuk" value, making fun of an artless phrase from a non-native speaker of English. And it distracts from the power of the story.
Thank you. I'm not 100% persuaded that this anecdote is particularly encyclopedia-worthy, but people have added it several times. So I figured I'd try to do it properly. -- M.boli (talk) 16:54, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think this content is particularly encyclopedic. It's a one off comment she made at an event a decade ago. It doesn't appear to have come up again or received sustained coverage. It's about her daughter, who AFAICT is not notable in her own right, so I don't see the point in including her educational history. Marquardtika (talk) 14:33, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. This anecdote is salient to nothing else in this article. Which is why it keeps getting shoehorned into the personal life section. It to be an example of WP:ILIKEIT, as the only articulated reason for inclusion is that some sources reported it. -- M.boli (talk) 15:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While Michelle Steel's daughter is not notable, this story is about Michelle Steel's conduct which she herself revealed (so there is no dispute about it, nor any issues with regards to privacy). It came up in 2020 (i.e. six years after she made the comment) and picked up by two different LGBT publications ([1] and [2]).
It to be an example of WP:ILIKEIT, as the only articulated reason for inclusion is that some sources reported it.
It really seems like the inverse to me. It was a noteworthy controversy at the time that was picked up by reliable sources. How is this less noteworthy or encyclopedic than other elements of her personal life? Go through "Good Article" biographies and you'll see the inclusion of many quotes or actions that have generated controversy throughout people's lives. Soapwort (talk) 04:24, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't rise to the level of a controversy. It was a comment she made one time at an event a decade ago. There has been no sustained coverage. Marquardtika (talk) 16:58, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The two sources both reported the anecdote as illustrating an anti-LBGTQ view. It later appears in opponents' campaign material for the same purpose. It doesn't appear anywhere as a noteworthy component of her personal life, or for any other reason. If Steel were an anti-LBGTQ activist, perhaps introducing bills or regularly inveighing, then this anecdote would naturally and properly belong in the section describing her advocacy on that issue. Instead it was gratuitously shoehorned into the personal life section because there is no place in this article where it belongs. It is irrelevant. -- M.boli (talk) 11:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"If Steel were an anti-LBGTQ activist, perhaps introducing bills or regularly inveighing, then this anecdote would naturally and properly belong in the section describing her advocacy on that issue": She is. The article says that she voted against the Respect for Marriage Act. But I don't think this belongs there because this is part of her personal life, which she thought needs to be shared with the people at the event, not thinking it may be recorded for posterity. It's important to note that it is presented as is without any commentary nor criticism that what she did "illustrat[es] an anti-LBGTQ view". It's what she said that she chose to do with her daughter. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 13:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then read the damned sources which you linked to. They both are extremely clear this point: anecdote was reported to illustrate anti-LBGTQ attitudes. The articles are not reportage on Steel's home and family life.
There is no separate section on anti-LBGTQ activism in this Wikipedia article because she hasn't been notable in that area. Yes, she voted against a civil rights act. But 168 other Representatives also voted against the Respect for Marriage act, they aren't all notable anti-LBGTQ activists. Repeating myself: if such opposition becomes a noteworthy part of Steel's activities, there will be a section on that in her Wikipedia article, and this anecdote with references will likely be a part of it. Absent that it is simply ludicrous to insist this is an encyclopedia-worthy story from Steel's personal family life. -- M.boli (talk) 15:23, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is simply not encyclopedia worthy. It's a random comment from the past that was seized upon by her opponents. We should stick to her actual voting record on LGBT issues. Marquardtika (talk) 15:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But what aspects of the subjects's personal life are included in an encyclopedia article? How does once had a tiff with a child about college get included along with marriages, residence, etc. that these sections are made of? I think we are back to ILIKEIT. -- M.boli (talk) 23:30, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
