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Shall review over the next few days! I know nothing about snooker, so this will be very interesting. Reading rules of Snooker now.

Reviewer: Ovinus Real (talk · contribs) 20:10, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any updates on this Ovinus Real? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:13, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Sincere apologies for the delay!

Review

Lead

The first sentence is grammatically incorrect. I suggest it be replaced with "In snooker, a maximum break, also known as a maximum or 147 (pronounced one-four-seven), is the highest possible break in a single frame." Note that "a" is used for all names instead of "the", which I think makes more sense here.
- I disagree, you score a maximum break; you don't score the maximum break, because you can have more than one maximum break. It's also mentioned later how there are multiple versions of a maximum break. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:46, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - A bit confused here. I agree you don't score "the" maximum break, but the first sentence begins "The maximum break..." (emphasis added). In any case, the first sentence is still grammatically incorrect.

The maximum break in snooker is also known as a maximum, a 147, or orally, a one-four-seven is the highest possible break in a single frame.

It should at least be

The maximum break in snooker, also known as a maximum, a 147, or orally, a one-four-seven, is the highest possible break in a single frame.

"while David Gilbert made the 147th 147 in the Championship League in January 2019" is this WP:TRIVIA?
- I agree. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:46, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Define "rolling prize" ?
- A rolling prize is one that increases until it is won. Think like a Lottery. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:46, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"leading to some discontent among players" a bit weasely, I think it could be omitted
- Removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:46, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"with a 1 million bonus if 20 maximums were ..." Taken literally, this sentence means that the prize would be replaced only if 20 maximums were achieved. Suggest reword to "In 2019, World Snooker Tour chairman Barry Hearn replaced the rolling prize with a conditional 1 million bonus, awarded only if a combined 20 maximums were made over a single season."
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:46, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"If triggered" can be removed; it's clear that the bonus only applies sometimes
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:46, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear, the bonus is awarded if and only if the number of maximums in professional play by ALL players exceeds 20, and in that case, the prize is divided proportionally among those who compiled the maximums?
- Yes. Although, if someone made two, they'd get two times the amount of the rest Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:46, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"stated that 20 maximums" -> "stated that making/compiling 20 maximums"
- Already removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:46, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

History

"However, beginning in the 1994/95 season," -> "Beginning in the 1994–95 season, however," En dash for consistency, and starting a sentence with however is a pet peeve of mine
- done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:48, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Alex Higgins is said to have" by whom? Higgins himself?
- Clarified. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:48, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Official list

Is the age of each player relevant here?
- Probably not? Happy to remove, but I don't think it is doing harm. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:51, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Not sure about "relevant" in wiki terms, but in sporting terms (i.e., color commentary as Americans call it), much is made of it, particularly age at first maximum break, presumably because (a) people like stories of youthful prodigies, and/or (b) maximum breaks seem to become less frequent as a player ages past their "prime." —KGF0 ( T | C ) 22:42, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Would it be prudent to make this list collapsible? It's rather long. Alternatively, it could be moved to the end of the article
- Moved Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:51, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statistics

In table headings, "Most recent 147" -> "Most recent"; "Total 147s" -> "Total"
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:56, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Data as of?
- Added Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:56, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In section Multiple maximum breaks during a tournament, "Player(s)" -> "Players"
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:56, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The English Institute of Sport is referred to as both that name and "World Snooker Academy"; please consistentify
- It's not the same place. I'm unsure why we have a redirect. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:56, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Ah, well maybe the World Snooker Academy redirect page could be deleted?
In section Match-winning maximum breaks, add that "the following are maximum breaks which thereby won the game" or something to that effect
- added Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:56, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Records

To be clear, "Professionals v. Amateurs" is the name of the competition? Interesting!
- That's right! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:03, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"made a 147 break" -> "made a 147" or "compiled a maximum" or whatever
- A 147 break is a correct verbage. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:03, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Perhaps this could be clarified in the lead then, as another alternative name?
"believed to be the first maximum break achieved by a woman" Believed? Perhaps this could be clarified, is this implying doubt?
- The doubt is that if this has happened anywhere else. We only officially list maximums made in competitive matches, so there's always doubt. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:03, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Understood!
"due to oversized pockets" Spencer was disqualified from the award because his pockets were too large? Clarify
- What else do you want me to say. The pockets were too large, (ie, not of professional quality), so the break was disallowed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:03, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Should have been more explicit myself! I meant to say "Spencer's oversized pockets", unless you think it's sufficiently clear already.
"achieved twice: " replace with period, or place a semicolon after "televised stages"
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:03, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"at the last 16 of the televised stages" is this specificity necessary?
- removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:03, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"However, an investigation undertaken by ... " -> "An investigation undertaken... in 2017, however, ..."
- Changed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:03, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"However, World Snooker has" I think this however can just be removed.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:03, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"but not recognised by" -> "but this feat/event is not recognised by"
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:03, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Prize money

"The prize would be split between players who made a qualifying break" What if a player makes two maximum breaks in a year? Do they get twice the amount of money?
- They do indeed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:06, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Mention that this bonus is unlikely to happen? Otherwise that portion of the lead is uncited
- That bit has been removed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:06, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Exceeding 147

Does the color of the balls really matter in this section?
- There are seven (eight) coloured balls in snooker, all worth different points, so the colours being potted are important. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:09, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Forgot about that part, thanks
Should "highest possible" be in quotes?
- Removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:09, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Overall the article is pretty good and quite understandable to a newbie to snooker like myself. Given the importance of this achievement in snooker I think the exhaustive information is warranted. Shall place on hold. Ovinus (talk) 20:02, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

- Hi Ovinus Real, I have made the above changes. If you enjoyed this, I always have snooker articles at GAN! :P. Thanks for your review! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:09, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Lee Vilenski: Enticing! Made a few more comments regarding clarifications, but otherwise it looks good. Ovinus (talk) 18:29, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - Another thing: not sure if all the red links to players are warranted. For example, Wally West and Butch Rogers only seem to be mentioned in Google Search because of this 151 break, so I'm not sure if they would be notable. To be honest I don't know the guidelines surrounding red links, but I'm guessing we don't want red links to things that are clearly not notable. Ovinus (talk) 18:34, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      - I have made the suggested changes. Ovinus Real. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:11, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        Looks good Lee Vilenski! My remaining concern is just the "World Snooker Academy" redirect. Perhaps we could get that sorted out? Then I shall pass the nomination. Sincerely, Ovinus (talk) 19:28, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        So, I've taken a look, and it seems it's the same place, in that the Academy is hosted within the Institute (which is a much wider/bigger facility.) I've changed them all to be listed at the Academy. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:28, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome! Passing. Ovinus (talk) 23:22, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]