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I also think this page should be deleted, but perhaps if the creator is interested a "list of historic buildings in greater sudbury" might be a more suitable page to create.Mattximus (talk) 03:04, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the Proposed deletion/dated|concern = Wikipedia is neither a directory nor a travel guide|timestamp = 20121128020954 - I don’t think this page should be deleted. It is not the intention to do a travel guide – Sadly most of these buildings have been demolished so there would be nothing to see once you got there. With regards to being a directory – all I did was arrange the buildings into a logical street sequence. There isn’t any information about Sudbury Architecture or Downtown Streets on any of the other Sudbury pages. I’ll admit that Sudbury is not a world-class city like New York or London that have endless Wikipedia pages devoted to their buildings and Streets but surely a single page with all of the historical landmarks in Sudbury, past and present, is worthy of inclusion. Also, please note that the page is incomplete. There is much information that needs to be added regarding dates opened, architects, dates closed, demolished, current use and so on…There will be too much information for inclusion on an existing Sudbury page. If the objection is to the name I choose, I would be happy to create a page with a different name Bzaoral , talk 03:35, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you are missing the point made for deletion. Wikipedia does not have any pages on "street addresses and buildings" for any city but DOES have pages on "List of Historic Buildings in ...". The latter is a more encyclopaedic way of organizing information rather than a random directory of random streets with some random buildings on them. The way you organized it is much more confusing. Again, if you are interested creating a page, please create "List of Historic Buildings in Greater Sudbury" instead.Mattximus (talk) 16:13, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can see Wikipedia pages for lists: e.g. List of Churches in London e.g. List of listed buildings in Edinburgh/3 e.g. List of east–west roads in Toronto (note: some of the streets have links that take you to a dedicated street page)

I can see Wikipedia pages devoted to buildings: e.g. St Thomas' Church, Coventry e.g. Victoria County Court House

I can see Wikipedia pages devoted to streets: e.g. Merivale Road (Ottawa) e.g. Bloor Street

note: there are hundreds of “Streets in …..” pages in Categories. If you click on one of the streets listed, you are taken to a page devoted to that street.

All I’ve done is arrange the notable buildings in Sudbury by street. I can certainly create a "List of Historic Buildings in Downtown Sudbury" in a table, but I still would sort the addresses by street address.Bzaoral , talk 19:10, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I will incorporate a table so that "List of historic places in Greater Sudbury" is consistent with the other "List of historic places in ..." pages. I copied the "List of historic places in Brampton" as my template. The only comment that I would make is that the GeoGroupTemplate seems deficient to me as it doesn't have a column for any kind of notes about the historic place (i.e. date built, architect(s), local stone quarry construction, date demolished, original use, current use...). I only see columns for Name, Address, Municipality, PC, Co-ordinates, IDF, IDP, IDM and Image. Can notes be entered under the image? Any other solutions/workarounds? Unless the historic place warrants its own page, I don't see a way to provide any additional data about the historic place except to provide references. Bzaoral , talk 03:28, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Sudbury Municipal Heritage Committee (SMHC) http://www.greatersudbury.ca/inside-city-hall/land-use-planning/advisory-panels/municipal-heritage-advisory-panel/ listed on the government of Ontario’s Municipal Heritage Committee Directory http://www.mtc.gov.on.ca/en/heritage/lacac.shtml has 64 downtown sites listed in the Heritage Position Paper, City of Greater Sudbury, Downtown Sudbury Master Plan in April 2011 http://www.growdowntown.ca/blog/assets/content//documents/Final%20Supporting%20Reports_Part%202.pdf . The list is on page 42 and 43. I can’t find a more current list. I will update the Comment column on the “List of historic places in Greater Sudbury” with the respective SMHC location key and prune accordingly. Note: The Sudbury Community Arena is # 29. See also http://www.northernlife.ca/news/localNews/2010/02/watertower180210.aspx for an article that outlines the criteria for judging heritage buildings - The Ontario Heritage Act states “a property may be designated under section 29 of the Act if it meets one or more of the following criteria for determining whether it is of cultural heritage value or interest:” Bzaoral , talk 02:10, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]