Talk:List of genocides/Archive 14
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Should the Dungan Revolt 1862-1877 be added?
the war saw a decline of an ethnic group in China. The population declined by 21 million from war related deaths and famine and displacement. TaipingRebellion1850 (talk) 17:50, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- It can be added if there is good scholarship calling it a genocide. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 17:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Comparison between some lists on wikipedia
I was curious, so I threw together this little comparison chart of what genocides are included in a few lists we have on wikipedia:
| List of genocides | Genocides in history Prior to WW1, WW1–WW2, 1946–1999, 2000– |
Genocide navbox | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Neanderthal genocide | |||
| Chiefdom genocides | |||
| Destruction of Carthage | |||
| Asiatic Vespers | |||
| Julius Caesar's campaigns (Gauls (Eburones)) | |||
| Bar Kokhba revolt | |||
| Jie and Wu Hu | |||
| Zandaqa | |||
| Ancestral Puebloans | |||
| Harrying of the North | |||
| Mongol Empire/Mongol conquests | |||
| Albigensian Crusade (Cathars) | |||
| Tamerlane | |||
| Guanches | |||
| Mongols in the Delhi Sultanate | |||
| Taíno genocide | |||
| Genocide of indigenous peoples in Brazil | |||
| Kashmiri Shias | |||
| Atlantic Slave Trade | |||
| Genocide of the Huron | |||
| Kalinago | |||
| Pequots | |||
| Great Gypsy Round-up | |||
| Persecution of Huguenots | |||
| Vendee | |||
| War of the Three Kingdoms | |||
| Khmelnytsky uprising | |||
| Dzungar genocide | |||
| Chechens | |||
| 1804 Haiti massacre | |||
| Al-Jawazi massacre | |||
| Siege of Tripolitsa | |||
| Caste War of Yucatán | |||
| Apaches | |||
| Yaquis | |||
| Indigenous Australian | |||
| Black War | |||
| Trail of Tears | |||
| Massacre of Salsipuedes (Charrúa) | |||
| Zulu Kingdom under Shaka Zulu | |||
| Beothuk | |||
| Moriori genocide | |||
| Queensland Aboriginal genocide | |||
| Native American | |||
| Native American genocide in the United States | |||
| Indian removal | |||
| California genocide | |||
| Sand Creek massacre | |||
| 1740 Batavia massacre | |||
| Circassian genocide | |||
| Conquest of the Desert | |||
| Taiping Rebellion | |||
| Japanese colonization of Hokkaido | |||
| Anti-Romani sentiment (Attempted extirpations of Romani/Gypsies) | |||
| Putumayo genocide | |||
| Great Famine (Ireland) | |||
| January Uprising § The decades of reprisals | |||
| Genocide of indigenous peoples § Tsardom of Russia's conquest of Siberia | |||
| British Raj | |||
| Persecution of Yazidis | |||
| Hazaras | |||
| Massacres of Badr Khan | |||
| Congo Free State | |||
| Ethiopia under Menelik II | |||
| French conquest of Algeria | |||
| Colonial Philippines | |||
| Selk'nam genocide | |||
| Armenian massacres of 1894–1896 | |||
| Herero and Nama genocide | |||
| Maji Maji Rebellion Ukame | |||
| Balkan Wars | |||
| Persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman contraction | |||
| Massacres of Albanians in the Balkan Wars | |||
| Greek genocide | |||
| Pontic genocide | Pontic Greeks | ||
| Armenian genocide | |||
| Diyarbekir | |||
| Sayfo | |||
| Destruction of the Thracian Bulgarians in 1913 | |||
| Deportations of Kurds (1916–1934) | |||
| Ingrian Finns | |||
| Simele massacre | |||
| Urkun | |||
| Pogroms against Jews | |||
| Decossackization | |||
| Kantō Massacre | |||
| Napalpí massacre | |||
| Japanese colonial empire/ Japanese war crimes | |||
| Musha Incident | |||
| Osage Indian murders | |||
| Libyan genocide | |||
| Second Italo-Ethiopian War | |||
| Kazakhstan | |||
| La Matanza | |||
| Holodomor | |||
| Ma Bufang against the Tibetans | |||
| Polish Operation of the NKVD | |||
| Parsley massacre | |||
| Nanjing Massacre | |||
| Nazi crimes against the Polish nation | |||
| Romani Holocaust | |||
| Three Alls policy | |||
| The Holocaust | |||
| German atrocities committed against Soviet prisoners of war | |||
| The Holocaust in Croatia | |||
| Genocide of Serbs | |||
| Genocide against Bosniaks and Croats by the Chetniks | |||
| Sook Ching | |||
| Nanshitou Massacre | |||
| Volhynia | |||
| Aktion T4 | |||
| Deportation of the Chechens and Ingush | |||
| Deportation of the Crimean Tatars | |||
| Deportations of Estonians, Latvians, and Lithuanians | |||
| Massacres of Albanians in Yugoslavia | |||
| Ethnic cleansing of Germans | |||
| Partition of India | |||
| Hyderabadi Muslims | |||
| Sinicization of Tibet | |||
| Stolen Generation | |||
| Indigenous peoples in Paraguay | |||
| Guatemalan genocide | |||
| Zanzibar genocide | |||
| 1966 anti-Igbo pogrom | |||
| Biafra (1966–1970) | |||
| Genocide of Feyli Kurds | |||
| Equatorial Guinea | |||
| Indonesian mass killings of 1965–66 | |||
| West New Guinea/West Papua | |||
| Bangladesh genocide | |||
| Persecution of Biharis in Bangladesh | |||
| Genocide of Acholi and Lango people under Idi Amin | Idi Amin's regime | ||
| Ikiza (Burundi 1972) | |||
| Hmong Genocide | |||
| East Timor genocide | |||
| Derg | |||
| Cambodian genocide | |||
| Chittagong Hill Tracts (Indigenous Chakmas) | |||
| Sabra and Shatila massacre | |||
| Genocide of Afghans by Soviet Armed Forces and proxies | |||
| Gukurahundi | |||
| Bush War (1981–1985) | |||
| Anfal genocide | |||
| Isaaq genocide | |||
| Amhara genocide | |||
| Bosnian genocide | |||
| Burundi 1993 | |||
| Rwandan genocide | |||
| Massacres of Hazaras and other groups by the Taliban | |||
| Forced sterilization in Peru | |||
| Massacres of Hutus during the First Congo War | |||
| Tamil genocide | |||
| Chechnya | |||
| Boko Haram and Fulani herdsman | |||
| Effacer le tableau | |||
| Darfur genocide | |||
| Southern Kaduna | |||
| Allegations of genocide against Uyghurs | |||
| Iraqi Turkmen genocide | |||
| Genocide of Yazidis by the Islamic State | |||
| Shias under ISIS | |||
| Christians under ISIS | |||
| Rohingya genocide | |||
| South Sudan | |||
| Yemen | |||
| Ethiopia | |||
| Accusations of genocide in Donbas | |||
| Allegations of genocide of Ukrainians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine | |||
| Nagorno-Karabakh | |||
| Israel/Palestine | |||
-- Cdjp1 (talk) 17:52, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, that is very telling! Bondegezou (talk) 12:57, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. My feeling, especially after the change by @Cdjp1 to the definition of "genocide" used in this article, is that this list should be changed to a table with 1-line summaries of the genocides in the Genocides in history articles, so that the list can easily be sorted and searched. When there is an unsettled accusation of genocide (as there is for some ongoing or recent events) or a dispute in scholarship, or if some common definitions of genocide are met but not others, we can add a column or two to indicate that status. AndyBloch (talk) 21:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Long term, I hope to be able to unify the List of genocides, Genocides in history, and Genocide navbox, but this is a large undertaking, and as I have mentioned previously on this page, I do have a lot of IRL priorities so the unification effort is low on my to do list.
- As a rough guide to steps, as I would follow,:
- Any of the genocides listed in List of genocides should be added to Genocides in history
- any citations for items in List of genocides should be added to the their relevant items in Genocides in history
- items in Genocides in history should be checked over for any instances of citation needed and corrected (checking ideally through the journals Journal of Genocide Research, Genocide Studies and Prevention, Holocaust and Genocide Studies, and Genocide Studies International)
- Once these have been completed I would move to adding entries into List of genocides for any items present in Genocides in history that are not already present in List of genocides.
- -- Cdjp1 (talk) 17:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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Hello! I would appreciate it if someone would comment out (place <!-- preceding and --> following) the list references (references within named <ref> tags listed in the {{reflist}} template) named "Milton1992", "USHMM2", and "AxisYugo" to fix unused list-defined reference errors. Thank you! – Daℤyzzos (✉️ • 📤) 21:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Partly done: I couldn't find the 'USHMM2' ref. Commented out the other 2. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 03:43, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! The USHMM2 ref is missing because it was removed between me posting the edit request and you acting on said edit request. Also within that time period, the two references you commented out had their use re added, so those refs should actually no longer be commented out. Sorry for the time waste... – Daℤyzzos (✉️ • 📤) 12:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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Hello! Could someone please make these edits to fix two cite errors? (This is a reversal of my previous edit request because changes were made to the page between the request and its execution that made it unnecessary.)
In § References:
Line 617:
| − | <ref name="Milton1992">{{cite journal |last=Milton |first=Sybil |date=February 1992 |title=Nazi Policies towards Roma and Sinti 1933–1945 |journal=Journal of Gypsy Lore Society |volume=2 |issue=1 |pages=1–18 |url=https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015077550120;view=1up;seq=3 |access-date=12 August 2016}}</ref> | + | <!-- ref not used <ref name="Milton1992">{{cite journal |last=Milton |first=Sybil |date=February 1992 |title=Nazi Policies towards Roma and Sinti 1933–1945 |journal=Journal of Gypsy Lore Society |volume=2 |issue=1 |pages=1–18 |url=https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015077550120;view=1up;seq=3 |access-date=12 August 2016}}</ref> --> |
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| − | <ref name="AxisYugo">{{cite encyclopedia |url=https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005456 |title=Axis Invasion of Yugoslavia{{Snd}} Croatia |encyclopedia=Holocaust Encyclopedia |publisher=[[United States Holocaust Memorial Museum]] |date=2010 |access-date=12 August 2016 |archive-url= |archive-date=}}</ref> | + | <!-- <ref name="AxisYugo">{{cite encyclopedia |url=https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005456 |title=Axis Invasion of Yugoslavia{{Snd}} Croatia |encyclopedia=Holocaust Encyclopedia |publisher=[[United States Holocaust Memorial Museum]] |date=2010 |access-date=12 August 2016 |archive-url= |archive-date=}}</ref> --> |
Or revert this edit. Thank you!
— Daℤyzzos (✉️ • 📤) 14:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Done M.Bitton (talk) 01:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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I request that all the South American Native tribes of South America and the Tribes of that came from Africa be included into the list of genocides. Everyone knows that the South American Native Tribes were wiped out by the Spaniards when Christopher Columbus came to occupy the land and kill the adults and Enslave the adolescents and children. We all know that when they ran out of Southern Native American people, they started aiming for the Africans, wiping out whole villages and tribes of people we will never hear about again. Killing them to grab their children, exposing them to disease or a voyage that they would never make to the new world with the conditions they had to endure. To say that the holocaust was the worst genocide in the world is to spread lies, when the genocide that happened during the slave trade to those who were enslaved in order to build North America and South America happened on a much larger scale than the holocaust. We are talking about billions of people who died and their deaths are being ignored and washed over just because their culture is darker skinned. The shame!! 2600:100A:A111:4C51:CDBC:D96:8247:F056 (talk) 15:57, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 01:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Add high end deaths for Gaza genocide from New survey
New survey gives a higher death toll for Gaza deaths https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext Vanisherman (talk) 03:28, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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The Gaza genocide is false as it does not follow the 10 stages of genocide. 1. Classification 2.Symbolization 3.Dehumanization 4.Organization 5.Polarization 6.Preparation 7.Extermination 8.Denial 9.Cover up The Gaza strip is a current warzone and using the logic being used to say Israel is on a genocide would mean that America during world war 2 geocide the Japanese and the Germans along with other countrys. Sirfartface (talk) 02:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — kashmīrī TALK 11:20, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Source reliability
I've opened a discussion at RSN on the reliability of the source "Counting the dead in Gaza: difficult but essential", which cited in this article: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Counting the dead in Gaza: difficult but essential. Elli (talk | contribs) 02:42, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Chinese genocide
The Japanese crimes in China during the second sino Japanese wars are considered genocide no? It definitely should be included The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 04:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- We'd need good sources. They were civilian massacres, war crimes for sure, but has there been a genocidal intent? — kashmīrī TALK 11:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- I hope this source is good enough
- some sources have called it a genocide, with focus on the nanking massacre and soon ching
- https://scholarsbank.uoregon.edu/xmlui/handle/1794/25558https://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/nanking.htm
- The “three Alls” policy could also be used to argue that there was an established intent, especially with what happened on the ground The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 04:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- @The Great Mule of Eupatoria:, I'm working to unify the lists as per "Comparison between some lists on wikipedia". For actions in Japanese invasion of China, there are multiple specific aspects/instances which have scholarship describing them as genocide/genocidal, besides the Three Alls policy you identified, there is also the Nanjing Massacre.
- From the relevant articles potential sources are:
- Three Alls
- Felton, Mark (2015). "The Perfect Storm: Japanese military brutality during World War Two". The Routledge History of Genocide. Routledge. doi:10.4324/9781315719054-10/perfect-storm-mark-felton (inactive 31 January 2024). ISBN 9781315719054. Retrieved 24 July 2022.
{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: DOI inactive as of January 2024 (link) (Though I'm not to happy having a Felton source, I'll dig to see if I can find more to add to the main article)
- Felton, Mark (2015). "The Perfect Storm: Japanese military brutality during World War Two". The Routledge History of Genocide. Routledge. doi:10.4324/9781315719054-10/perfect-storm-mark-felton (inactive 31 January 2024). ISBN 9781315719054. Retrieved 24 July 2022.
- Nanjing
- Campbell, Bradley (June 2009). "Genocide as social control". Sociological Theory. 27 (2): 154. doi:10.1111/j.1467-9558.2009.01341.x. JSTOR 40376129. S2CID 143902886.
Also, genocide may occur in the aftermath of warfare when mass killings continue after the outcome of a battle or a war has been decided. For instance, after the Chinese city of Nanking was occupied by the Japanese in December 1937, Japanese soldiers massacred over 250,000 residents of the city.
- Campbell, Bradley (June 2009). "Genocide as social control". Sociological Theory. 27 (2): 154. doi:10.1111/j.1467-9558.2009.01341.x. JSTOR 40376129. S2CID 143902886.
- Three Alls
- -- Cdjp1 (talk) 16:24, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- In this case it definitely should be included, the sources are good enough The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 17:01, 16 July 2024 (UTC)