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CD Projekt RED

CD Projekt Red has also mutliple Games in the TOP 50. With The Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077. 2001:9E8:6F47:7800:CD59:F132:CACE:9A81 (talk) 06:49, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done Prefall 12:38, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Can we bring the numbers back?

The list doesnt look that great and because it is limited to the top 50 i dont get why there isnt a 1-50 number list here. 158.135.169.237 (talk) 17:42, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

This is a dynamic list, and inherently not necessarily complete (reliable information is not available for some top-selling games) so numbering it could be misleading. Bbctol (talk) 20:52, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

yeah it can be misleading but it is a nice quality of life improvement to the list and can be a tool to catch errors (aka when numbers are updated but their position hasnt as that has happened before). 158.135.165.67 (talk) 03:03, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Numbering would suggest information that we have no proof of. The list does in fact not contain the top 50 best-selling video games but the 50 best-selling video games there is reliable sales data publicly available for. We can infer which games sold more copies than others to order the list but we can not be sure New Horizons is the 16th best selling video game, so we can not number it. Doing so thus wouldn't be just misleading but wrong. Emberwit (talk) 09:50, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

true but another is the induvial consoles have a number system for their game sales and unless they are Nintendo consoles the sales numbers can be all over the place. Minecraft for instance on the switch only has some numbers from Japan and European countries even though we are pretty sure it has sold a lot more (since the US numbers are missing). The list will never be perfect but it would say as of right now we can say these are the 50 best selling games that we can prove their numbers. Sure there are others that might have sold better but we don't know so we cant speculate. 158.135.165.67 (talk) 19:10, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Rankings are WP:OR and fail WP:V. This answer isn't going to change. It's really not needed anyways, the table is already sortable. -- ferret (talk) 19:45, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Skyrim???

60 million sold 2A02:2121:284:9E39:F0A6:E45F:B5E0:C6D (talk) 21:23, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Talk:List_of_best-selling_video_games/Archive_9#Skyrim_has_apparently_sold_over_60_million_copies. -- ferret (talk) 22:18, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Insomniac's first spiderman should be on the list at over 33 million copies as of may 2022

https://blog.playstation.com/2022/06/02/marvels-spider-man-series-is-coming-to-pc/ 64.178.145.226 (talk) 19:08, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Rescinding this request as I noticed the sales figure is in relation to the "series" and not just the first game 64.178.145.226 (talk) 19:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Elden Ring

I think Elden Ring deserves a fitting spot right at the bottom under pokemon scarlet with 21-21.5M sales. Best game of the decade alongside RDR2. 2603:7081:2500:E774:6D17:2503:D438:785D (talk) 18:03, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

RDR2 isn't even the best game of 2018 (God of War blows it out of the water), let alone a decade. What you're talking about here.84.54.72.20 (talk) 13:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

that is subjective but yeah that last part of the statement is unnecessary but what is missing here is the refrence to the sales. 158.135.163.144 (talk) 18:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2023

geometry dash has at least 240 million downloads for all platforms combined, and that was in 2018, it should be higher now, it should be added to the page 138.67.218.49 (talk) 18:08, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Downloads aren't sales. -- ferret (talk) 18:09, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Minecraft Chinese edition

Is there a reason why the sales of Minecraft Chinese edition are not added to the numbers for Minecraft? From what I can tell it has about 425 million downloads. Other free-to-play games like PUBG are included on this list so I don't understand why Minecraft Chinese edition is not included. Even if you think it shouldn't be included in the number of Minecraft sales, should it not then be included as its own game on the list? [1]https://www.kitguru.net/desktop-pc/mustafa-mahmoud/minecraft-surpasses-400-million-players-in-china-alone/ [2]https://www.businessofapps.com/data/minecraft-statistics/ BluHedgy (talk) 22:09, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Nevermind this, I was confused somewhat by the article but I know realise that only includes PUBG sales with a price (before it went free-to-play) and that Minecraft Chinese edition should not be included.

Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2023

The page needs update in the sales figure, so allow me to edit. Zerowatts (talk) 12:42, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. 💜  melecie  talk - 14:07, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2023

Please add Skyrim at 60 million copies sold to you list of video games. Prey4mojo (talk) 16:48, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 16:56, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Add Minecraft Dungeons at 25,000,000 confirmed sells

Minecraft Dungeons reached 25,000,000 sells and should be added to this list. Every copy costs money, and thus 25,000,000 confirmed players should be counted as sells on this list. Furthermore, Mojang confirmes that these are all "unique players".

My source is Mojang, the owner and developer of the Minecraft Dungeons IP.

Read their article for further reference:

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/dungeons--25-million-players CelesteTheArtist (talk) 19:24, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we can't include this. Minecraft Dungeons is available on Xbox Gamepass, and Microsoft very clearly says "25 million confirmed players", not "25 million sales". I've played Dungeons on Gamepass. I did not buy the game. I count as a player, but not as a sale. -- ferret (talk) 02:12, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

That's completely fair. Thank you. CelesteTheArtist (talk) 21:03, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Skyrim should be included

I have read through the previous discussion on this subject and while I understand the counterarguments I still think not including Skyrim puts Wikipedia out of step with the general internet conversation. If you simply look up "Skyrim sales" in Google, every single top result cites the 60 million figure, including IGN's own list of the top ten best selling games (last I checked, IGN is a reliable source). In the previous thread people objected to Skyrim's inclusion because Todd Howard is supposedly unreliable, but this is a clear double standard. The source for Cyberpunk 2077's sales is a statement from the CD Projekt Red CEO. Why is the head of Bethesda Game Studios considered unreliable for this information but the head of CD Projekt is fine? Shivj80 (talk) 19:47, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

References

I think you didn't read the discussion close enough. First off, IGN's top ten list is based on IGN's own reporting on the Skyrim number, as the interview where Todd Howard offhandedly dropped the figure was to IGN. Todd Howard's unreliability is well established and he himself says "Don't trust everything I say in interviews". -- ferret (talk) 20:54, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

So Todd Howard is unreliable, but CD Projekt Red, a company that has been sued for misleading statements, is reliable? This is just not a consistent standard at all. Even if Todd said not to trust his interviews (do you have a source for this quote?), there is no good reason to believe he would blatantly lie about Skyrim's sales figures. To underline this point, let me quote what the IGN article says:

"After years of silence regarding Skyrim's sales numbers, Bethesda's Todd Howard revealed in June 2023 that the RPG has sold over 60 million units since it was first released in 2011. "We’re sitting here, it’s 12 years after Skyrim," Howard told IGN. 'We’re looking at a game that has over 60 million copies, and all these people playing… they’re still playing it.'"

This sounds quite definitive. IGN doesn't put any disclaimers that "Howard is known to exaggerate" or anything like that. They accept the 60M figure as fact. If IGN, a known reliable source for gaming, accepts Todd's words as true in this instance, then his past unreliability is simply irrelevant. Shivj80 (talk) 01:08, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Dude if the Skyrim developers or publishers themselves say that Skyrim has sold 60 million copies we will believe it and put Skyrim on the list. Kazama16 (talk) 09:31, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Todd Howard is literally Bethesda's top developer. Why can't we trust his numbers when other websites are taking his numbers as fact? Shivj80 (talk) 02:57, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Sonic Adventure Greatest 2,5 Million Sales

Sonic Adventure First Release Dreamcast Japan: 1998, Western: 1999. Later Sonic Adventure DX: Director's Cut Release GameCube Worldwide: 2003,PC Japan:2003, Western:2004,PS3 & XBOX360: 2010,Steam: 2011. Prawira Hendrik (talk) 14:36, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 December 2023

Hello, I noticed that the Game Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is not on this list, though I know that it sold over 60 million copies to date, which would place it in the seventh position I believe. Please include Skyrim on this list. The ultimate source of this is The CEO of Bethesda, Todd Howard stating this fact in an interview with IGN a few months ago. The following links back this up:

1) https://in.ign.com/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/186698/news/elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-has-sold-over-60-million-copies-globally

2) https://www.gamesradar.com/skyrim-has-sold-60-million-copies-making-it-the-seventh-best-selling-game-ever/

3) https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2023/06/skyrim-has-now-sold-more-than-60-million-copies-according-to-bethesda

4) https://www.gamepressure.com/newsroom/skyrim-sold-60-million-copies-great-result-of-bethesdas-rpg/zb5868

Please include Skyrim to make this list more accurate. Thank you. 192.24.143.236 (talk) 16:02, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The CEO's statements in the interview can't be considered independent and reliable. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 16:09, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

(And Todd is not the CEO) -- ferret (talk) 16:42, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

"The best-selling video game to date is Minecraft"

I know that general consensus here is that Minecraft outsells Tetris, however there are several reliable (and some marginally reliable) sources that list Tetris over Minecraft. I personally agree with that assessment. Isn't outright saying that it is the best-selling game too bold of a statement when there are reliable sources that disagree? At the very least, would it be fair to alter the statement to say that it's "generally considered to be the best-selling game"?

To list a few: The 10 Best-Selling Video Games of All Time - IGN Top 10 Best-Selling Video Games Of All Time - GameSpot The 15 Bestselling Video Games Of All Time (screenrant.com) Man-Man122 (talk) 20:58, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Those sources are not credible. The fact that Minecraft has 300,000,000 sold copies is supported by Microsoft, the owner of the Minecraft IP.

Some sources claim that Tetris or other games have sold more, but either have incorrect information or a misunderstanding of videogame sells.

Tetris for example, went free-to-play, and thus it's sell count is capped at 100,000,000 and cannot increase even if more people download Tetris. Tetris also forked it's development and EA made a new Tetris game which is respectivily a new IP, and should be counted separately just like you count Pokémon games separately.

Despite this understanding, many sources count free downloads and combine the number of different IP's within a series, resulting in some sources claiming Tetris to have 520,000,000 sold copies, which is entirely false.

If we did this for Minecraft, for example, counting all Minecraft IP's, unsupported versions, and free releases, then Minecraft would have closer to 2,000,000,000 sold copies, which would also be completely incorrect.

Minecraft China Edition itself has 800,000,000 free downloads, and it would be unfair to count them.

The cumulative data in this wiki article follow rules.

It must be the same IP, and it must cost money. We are counting sells, not downloads.

Gather data from the IP owner, not videogames articles. Thank you.

Des CelesteTheArtist (talk) 19:09, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@CelesteTheArtist These sources are listed as such in Wikipedia's own page for reliable sources. The mobile Tetris in question that was said to reach 425 million sales (i.e. the one the reliable sources are counting) was, in fact, officially licensed with the Tetris IP, but most importantly, not free. These were paid downloads. Sales. Therefore, it follows these cumulative rules. I hope my perspective could be give some consideration. Thank you. Man-Man122 (talk) 23:29, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Mobile Tetris went free at 100,000,000 sells. You can check right now, it's free. We're not counting excess free downloads. CelesteTheArtist (talk) 23:36, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@CelesteTheArtist Nobody's counting free downloads. Tetris reached 425 million downloads. Man-Man122 (talk) 00:14, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Here, check this article for a better undertsanding of the metrics.

According to this article, 45,000,000 copies of Tetris for the Gameboy were sold, and that is on this list. Tetris EA for mobile sold 100,000,000 copies before going free and gathering 32,000,000 more downloads that can't be counted as sells.

Tetris for the Gameboy and Tetris EA were developed and published by different companies through licensing and cannot be counted as the same game, since the IP is different.

If you were to count them together, it would be 145,000,000 total sells for Tetris, which would not make a difference in comparison to GTA V or Minecraft, but would be infair to all other titles. We don't count all Pokémon games together, we don't count all GTA games togther, we don't count all Minecraft games together, we don't count all Tetris games togther.

Tetris for the Gameboy and Tetris EA are very much different, and not the same game. They are in the same franchise, but this isn't a list of best-selling franchises.

We are counting individual titles.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris CelesteTheArtist (talk) 23:53, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@CelesteTheArtist This one EA Tetris game was not the only official EA mobile Tetris game. There were several others before it. Man-Man122 (talk) 03:10, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

We wouldn't count all EA mobile Tetris games. Tetris Blitz, for example is not Tetris; it's a spinoff within the EA Tetris franchise.

The original EA Tetris for Mobile had 100,000,000 paid downloads before going free, then shutting down in April of 2020, where the IP was relicensed by The Tetris Company and released for free under a new developer.

Read this article for reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris_(Electronic_Arts)#:~:text=In%20January%202020%2C%20EA%20announced,create%20a%20new%20mobile%20version. CelesteTheArtist (talk) 05:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@CelesteTheArtist You don't even have to count Tetris blitz. It was free and never pay-to-play. I'm referring to the fact that Tetris' paid mobile sales reached 425 million. EA released another Tetris game on mobile. It was practically identical to it's other one. It was on many other platforms as well. It was pay-to-play. Man-Man122 (talk) 11:59, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I appreciate the sentiment, but this article is based on factual data, not perspectives. CelesteTheArtist (talk) 23:59, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@CelesteTheArtist Respectfully, my perspective is based in factual data. Man-Man122 (talk) 00:12, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Perspective and fact are conflicting statements in this regard. Numbers are universal; there's no other way to look at them that doesn't include external bias.

Minecraft has 300,000,000 confirmed sold units

GTA V has 190,000,000 confirmed sold units

Tetris has 100,000,000 confirmed sold units

And so on...

The Tetris IP and franchise has had a long history of ownership and publishing from different developers and owners. Combining the sales of Tetris by Nintendo for NES/Gameboy and Tetris by EA for mobile would not make sense at all because these are separate publications by different companies. It's important to note that Tetris Nintendo and Tetris EA are not the same games.

A game can be developed for many platforms, and still be included in this list such as GTA V and Minecraft. The reason they are still counted, is because they are still developed by the same developer.

Minecraft, for example has always been developed by Mojang, and is currently published on various different platforms as one game.

I suggest you look at this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises, as this seems to be what you are actually talking about. CelesteTheArtist (talk) 05:11, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@CelesteTheArtist I'm referring to the EA mobile Tetris game that was released before the one you're referring too. If I recall, it was published by EA as well. It had 425 paid mobile sales. I'm not trying to combine the Gameboy with anything. Man-Man122 (talk) 11:34, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Could you provide a reliable source for that specific app? CelesteTheArtist (talk) 21:11, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@CelesteTheArtist

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/2008-10-29-ea-releases-tetris-for-android-bejeweled-and-monopoly-to-follow.html Man-Man122 (talk) 21:29, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

The website you provided has no information on the sells metric for that app.

The source used for the Tetris Wikipedia states that app had 100,000,000 units sold. CelesteTheArtist (talk) 02:01, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

@CelesteTheArtist Again, two different apps Man-Man122 (talk) 02:56, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

@CelesteTheArtist I showed you this to prove that there were two different Tetris games release under the same IP, EA, that were virtually identical and had a price tag, i.e. not free Man-Man122 (talk) 03:04, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Notice how you say "two different tetris games", and it doesn't matter if they are from the same publisher, since they are different entities. We can't count those games together, that's what the franchise list is for.

Here's a credible source from BBC, where they explain it very well. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67105983

End of discussion. CelesteTheArtist (talk) 06:00, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

The functions of the games that I was fundamentally the same. Virtually identical. The same reason these should be counted together, is the same reason why Minecraft's Java sales are lumped with Pocket Edition and Console edition sales, despite the console and pocket edition having some modes and features that console doesn't/didn't(and vice verse). I have read the BBC article before, but I don't remember the BBC becoming the ultimatum on all facts. As such, there are sources listed by Wikipedia as credible that disagree with the BBC's conclusion, such as Forbes and IGN. Wikipedia didn't have a problem with listing Tetris with its 495 million sales at the top of this list until rather recently. Regardless, there are credible sources the disagree with the BBC, as well as Wikipedia, in this regard. Man-Man122 (talk) 13:41, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

The point of this discussion was to point out that reliable sources disagree on this. That is objectively true and I believe that the article should reflect that. Man-Man122 (talk) 00:00, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2024

please change to include skyrim as it has sold 60 million 2A0A:EF40:1249:DB01:8BFF:9C5E:47A9:1A1B (talk) 18:44, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Read the edit requests already declined on this topic above as well as the archives. -- ferret (talk) 19:35, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 February 2024

Hi, I suggest a change to the Top50 table of the Best Selling Games, since I'm not authorized to make any edits to the page. Very recently Capcom has updated their list of Best Selling Titles, and Monster Hunter: World reached a total of 24.1m copies sold (which is expect to further increase due to heavy sales in January). The 24.1m amount ranks the game above "Nintendogs" and "Mario Kart DS". To avoid any confusion regarding the source, the "Monster Hunter World: Iceborne Master Edition" cited by Capcom is simply a bundled version of the game with the expansion "Iceborne" included.

Reference: https://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/million.html Ponyra (talk) 09:51, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. New additions should have at least 3 reliable sources. Shadow311 (talk) 17:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

This is the reliable source: https://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/million.html

It's quite literally the portal Capcom uses for Corporate & Investor Relations, to share news and data with investors and outlets. They cannot fake or lie about this, it's a publicly traded company.

Outlets and forums have reported on this, but of course they all use the same source, since it's the most direct source possible, Capcom itself. Ponyra (talk) 19:47, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Tho if you need examples form outlets too, here:

- https://gamingbolt.com/monster-hunter-world-has-sold-19-6-million-monster-hunter-rise-at-14-2-million-sold

- https://www.gematsu.com/2024/02/capcom-platinum-titles-sales-update-as-of-december-31-2023

- https://www.gamingdeputy.com/resident-evil-2-3-4-and-monster-hunter-world-break-sales-records/

- https://game-news24.com/2024/02/13/for-monster-hunter-rise-monster-world-has-sold-19-6-million-and-monster-hunting-dawn-is-at-14-2-millions/ Ponyra (talk) 20:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request re-submission

I request this edit again, this time providing multiple sources as requested last time.

Very recently Capcom has updated their list of Best Selling Titles, and Monster Hunter: World reached a total of 24.1m copies sold (which is expect to further increase due to heavy sales in January). The 24.1m amount ranks the game above others in the list. To avoid any confusion regarding the source, the "Monster Hunter World: Iceborne Master Edition" cited by Capcom is simply a bundled version of the game with the expansion "Iceborne" included.

SOURCES:

- https://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/million.html

- https://gamingbolt.com/monster-hunter-world-has-sold-19-6-million-monster-hunter-rise-at-14-2-million-sold

- https://www.gematsu.com/2024/02/capcom-platinum-titles-sales-update-as-of-december-31-2023

- https://www.gamingdeputy.com/resident-evil-2-3-4-and-monster-hunter-world-break-sales-records/

- https://game-news24.com/2024/02/13/for-monster-hunter-rise-monster-world-has-sold-19-6-million-and-monster-hunting-dawn-is-at-14-2-millions/ Ponyra (talk) 18:55, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2024

Hi there - please add Skyrim to the list of best selling videogames, as of 2023 it has sold over 60 million copies

https://www.gamesradar.com/skyrim-has-sold-60-million-copies-making-it-the-seventh-best-selling-game-ever/ 8.47.101.9 (talk) 04:22, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: see above Cannolis (talk) 05:25, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Super Mario Bros. Multi platform?

Should Super Mario Bros. Be considered Nintendo Entertainment System since that's what people primarily played it on? Sizzlepop1 (talk) 21:14, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Issue with that is this is only part of the total as it includes stuff like Deluxe (GBC) and NES Classic (GBA) 158.135.170.184 (talk) 18:07, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

But those aren't ports, those are usually extended or added versions. Sizzlepop1 (talk) 17:06, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

NES classic is a straight port and Deluxe is a refined copy with also the Japan Mario 2 also there. But these at the end of the day are the original NES game 158.135.160.154 (talk) 03:57, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

I dont think they count as Mario Bros, rather as seperate games. GesundemBrot (talk) 12:06, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Tetris (mobile) sales are confirmed as 425 million

in this page Tetris mobile sales are described as 100 million with a source that dates back to 2010, but we have an interview with Henk Rogers from 2014, where he confirms the mobile sales, and i quote "We have 425 million total paid mobile downloads. That’s all just on mobile." Source: (https://venturebeat.com/games/mr-tetris-explains-why-the-puzzle-game-is-still-popular-after-three-decades-interview/) Pedro101015 (talk) 16:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

This has been discussed and beaten into the ground over the years, but Henk Rogers is not seen as a reliable source here, especially as he does not represent EA. That's why this very same claim is also excluded from that actual article on Tetris EA. -- ferret (talk) 16:54, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, you're not gonna get anywhere with this. I think the people here are too stubborn Man-Man122 (talk) 14:01, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Exactly. GesundemBrot (talk) 12:07, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

TES V Skyrim

According to various sources, The Elder Scrolls V - Skyrim has between 60 and 65 million downloads! It definitely needs to be added to the list! 79.238.233.101 (talk) 09:58, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2024

Based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_V:_Skyrim#:~:text=With%20over%2062%20million%20copies,greatest%20video%20games%20ever%20made. I think the actual reference is this gamespot article: https://www.gamespot.com/articles/skyrim-is-now-within-the-top-10-best-selling-games-of-all-time/1100-6515101/

Skyrim should be part of the list with 62 million copies sold. Arnagath (talk) 20:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template.

There are several discussions about this above, and more in the archives. The issue appears to be that the number is sourced to a single comment by Todd Howard, who some editors say has a history of false statements (I don't know about this person or have an opinion). This will probably remain controversial until a new source is published. Jamedeus (talk) 02:31, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Sea of Thieves needs added to this list

Sea of Thieves announced 40 million copies sold on April 16th, 2024. This can be seen on a community post on their YouTube channel or on a post in the news section of their website. Can they be put on this list? Bushi0000 (talk) 22:28, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done are you talking about this [3] Well, it says players, not copies or units sold, so that's why. If you want detailed explanation, then the word "players" indicates how many people have played the game, not how many people have purchased it. Kazama16 (talk) 17:31, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Removal of Horizon Zero Dawn

Horizon Zero Dawn shouldn't be included in the list, my prove is the source itself. [4] It just mentions the sales of the franchise and Horizon Forbidden West. Where does it specifically mention Horizon Zero Dawn sales? If its just a judgement then it should be removed from the list. Kazama16 (talk) 17:52, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Where The Hell Is Roblox

Where is roblox 2403:4800:345A:B701:61B1:C2BA:1C68:13C8 (talk) 07:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Where is fortnite

fortnite needs to be added 2403:4800:345A:B701:61B1:C2BA:1C68:13C8 (talk) 07:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Monster Hunter: World sales update

Capcom updated its sales, currently at 25,325,000, which puts it ahead of Grand Theft Auto IV and Cyberpunk 2077.

Source (page 16): https://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/data/pdf/explanation/2023/full/explanation_2023_full_01.pdf Lukitoo (talk) 13:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2024

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 60'000'000 copys sold until june 2023 Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1391058/skyrim-games-sales-worldwide/ 2A04:EE41:1:3002:89E2:74B0:B6D8:5BC0 (talk) 13:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Per the talk section above and the consensus in the archive. Statista is unreliable. All such claims go back to a single IGN interview about Starfield with Todd Howard. Bethesda has not given an official figure. -- ferret (talk) 13:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Elden Ring 25 million sales announcement

source: https://x.com/ELDENRING/status/1800890964925366476 I don't know if we need additional sourcing beyond an official Bandai-Namco account for this, but I figured I'd at least toss it out here Also FromSoftware offiial account in japanese https://twitter.com/fromsoftware_pr/status/1800891340374642989 2601:81:C400:24E0:A9E6:23CF:6D3D:4C8A (talk) 14:16, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2024 (2)

Elden Ring reached 25 million sales as of June 12th 2024 2A00:23C8:1F06:8A01:DC06:1E1C:4B7D:3E4A (talk) 15:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lightoil (talk) 15:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

https://x.com/ELDENRING/status/1800890964925366476 Official ELDEN RING Twitter/X account DrettTheBaron (talk) 16:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2024

Tetris has reported 425 million paid downloads as of their interview with venture beat. Requesting a change of the reported downloads from 100 million to 425 million. Source https://venturebeat.com/games/mr-tetris-explains-why-the-puzzle-game-is-still-popular-after-three-decades-interview/ 64.178.145.226 (talk) 16:59, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Not a new source. This source has been repeatedly discussed and is not considered a reliable figure. -- ferret (talk) 18:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Would you be willing to provide a quick summary on why? I'm not trying to argue against this decision, I am genuinely curious as to the reasons against. 64.178.145.226 (talk) 19:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Henk Rogers is considered unreliable for several past statements and claims that were not backed by anyone else, and was not in a position to really speak for every company. Some of his statements have directly contradicted statements from the actual developers. This claim has never been made outside of this interview, or confirmed by any company in an otherwise official statement. Rogers claims 425 million... EA themselves, the actual developer/publisher, only claims 100. -- ferret (talk) 21:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

IS WIKIPEDIA THIS INACCURATE?

I find it disappointing that something THIS far off base which anyone can do a quick google search on and see 20 top ten lists from 20 reputable sources, all of which would be the same, is on wikipedia. Old wikipedia, sure. But i thought things were vetted now. Makes me rethink using Wikipedia at all. Wow. 2601:541:E01:7D60:14:4CF:B7F:17A3 (talk) 14:07, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

@2601:541:E01:7D60:14:4CF:B7F:17A3: Please specify what changes you think should be made to the article. Prefall 14:10, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

i'm not good with editing wikipedia pages, but the terraria developers have released updated sales stats saying the game has sold 58.7 million copies now which would put it at number 8

source is the june state of the game article on the forums: https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/terraria-state-of-the-game-june-2024.136658/

if someone better at editing than me can update it that would be nice TerrariaFan105600 (talk) 17:48, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Done. Prefall 18:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2024

Please change the number of sales for Terraria from 44,500,000 to 58,700,000.

The developer has released this number in a post today (2024-06-27; June 27, 2024): https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/terraria-state-of-the-game-june-2024.136658/

Quote: "Thanks to the support of Terrarians everywhere, we are very proud to share that Terraria has surpassed 58 million units sold - 58.7m to be more exact, with nearly 32m from PC alone!" 2A02:2454:7D9C:5400:946F:D214:8D03:A508 (talk) 18:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done Prefall 18:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Blazing fast, thank you! 2A02:2454:7D9C:5400:946F:D214:8D03:A508 (talk) 18:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Astro's Playroom

Astro's Playroom has sold 50 million bundled copies:

PS5 Hits 50 Million Sold, November 2023 Was Best Month In PlayStation History For Console Sales

"With the PS5 selling 50 million units, that also means the pack-in game Astro's Playroom has shifted at least that many copies as well"

2A00:23C6:1EA9:3C01:41D:5940:7439:F1A (talk) 20:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: as the source states, "With the PS5 selling 50 million units, that also means the pack-in game Astro's Playroom has shifted at least that many copies as well, it seems." Means that they are presuming the sales, not confirming. Kazama16 (talk) 18:42, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 July 2024

I request that The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim be added to the list of best-selling video games of all time as according to multiple sources and a quick Google search, that game across all platforms and re-releases since its November 2011 has sold roughly 60+ million copies as of June 2023. Isaacbeeby8 (talk) 05:55, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: See previous conversations on this talk page regarding Skyrim. Ligaturama (talk) 07:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Why was Horizon Zero Dawn removed from the list?

It was on here recently, and it should still be as it has more sales than several games near the bottom of the list. It's pretty significant being the only Sony 1st party title on the list, so if it gets knocked off it should be for legitimate reasons. The source for its sales figure comes directly from Sony: https://blog.playstation.com/2023/05/09/20-years-of-guerrilla-the-story-of-a-playstation-studio/ Nich Hustler (talk) 11:42, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

@Nich Hustler The source gives a franchise total (There were are the time 4 games in the franchise, including two spin offs) and specific figures for Forbidden West. No figure for Zero Dawn is given. -- ferret (talk) 13:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

You say that as if Pokémon's separate games aren't listed in one 67.214.28.212 (talk) 21:32, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Pokemon games that are editions of the same game released as pairs is a little different than completely different games within a given franchise. -- ferret (talk) 21:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Gamekult says it sold above 24 million copies. Quand nous chanterons (talk) 21:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

That's reporting the same figures already covered above by the Playstation blog. -- ferret (talk) 00:44, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

According to that link, if you minus the 8.4 million sales directly attributed to Forbidden West you'd be on 24.3 million. Then assuming an absolutely astronomical 50% attach rate for PSVR2 owners buying Call of the Mountain, you'd still have 24 million. Although reported sales for Call of the Mountain are much less. So it would make the list. But I don't know what the criteria is for how solid a number has to be to make this list, so I get it, just seemed to me like a premature take down while figures are a little unclear. Nich Hustler (talk) 00:32, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

With 24 million as the current list cutoff, unverifiable and unclear figures should be removed. WP:V. -- ferret (talk) 01:00, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Horizon Zero Dawn

Horizon Zero Dawn had sold 24.3 million units by April 2023, which means it should be on this list, considering Hogwarts Legacy is on this list and it has sold 24 million units. 2A00:23C6:D584:5B01:1CFC:4E81:98D2:B3DF (talk) 02:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I just realised there was a previous discussion that I missed... Regardless, Horizon Zero Dawn still deserves to be on this list at a minimum of 24 million. 2A00:23C6:D584:5B01:1CFC:4E81:98D2:B3DF (talk) 02:08, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Why Top 50?

I am curious why Wikipedia chose to stop the list at 50 entries. I get that you have to stop somewhere, but why was 50 chosen to be that number? Why not 100 or 200 or 1000 or any other number? In the era of retro games, when games didn't sell as well and it was rare for a game to sell so many copies that it would hit this list, 50 may have seemed like a good stopping point. But in this past quarter-century, games have gotten a lot bigger as a medium and a sales driver, and as such, more games are being made that deserve recognition. 50 seems like an awfully small number for the current market. --172.88.48.178 (talk) 21:10, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

this has been talked about several times but i do agree that it should change but maybe to like 20 million sales is the cut off 2601:2C4:C900:460:4B9:729C:C24A:7D4B (talk) 19:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Sold 60+ millons copies

Add Skyrim to the list, the game has sold more tan 60 million copies and it not appear. please add it. thanks Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_V:_Skyrim. reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_V:_Skyrim#cite_note-146

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/skyrim-is-now-within-the-top-10-best-selling-games-of-all-time/1100-6515101/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1391058/skyrim-games-sales-worldwide/#:~:text=TES%3A%20Skyrim%20cumulative%20units%20sold%20worldwide%202011-2023&text=As%20of%20June%202023%2C%20Skyrim,excluding%20mobile%2C%20since%20its%20release. Statista have the sales of many games that appear in this page of wikipedia Farenghar (talk) 20:11, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Statista is unreliable and often uses Wikipedia itself for figures. Skyrim has been requested and discussed repeatedly, over and over. We don't include it because there's been no official statement, just a single offhanded comment by Todd Howard, in the middle of a two hour interview about a completely different game. -- ferret (talk) 20:33, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

And this is only the reason for exclude it for the page?, i remember skyrim always figure in this page and only for the comment of Todd this not appear anymore. Skyrim is top 10 games most soled and it not appear for no reason. please add it again. thanks Farenghar (talk) 21:52, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the lack of a reliable official statement from Bethesda is a reason to exclude it. Todd is an unreliable narrator who himself tells people to take his claims with a grain of salt. -- ferret (talk) 22:40, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

When has Todd said to take his claims with a grain of salt? I think we need to see that quote before we start discounting his words entirely. Even if he said this, IGN, who did the interview, has taken the 60 million number as fact, so it makes no sense for Wikipedia to then decide it's untrue. Shivj80 (talk) 23:52, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

ferret if you don't have a response to my previous points, then I would like to put Skyrim back onto the list. Shivj80 (talk) 22:55, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

No. I simply tire of saying the same thing over and over for people who won't read the past discussions. I wasn't even the person who originally brought that up. -- ferret (talk) 23:34, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Can we overrule the previous discussion? I've read through it before and the exclusion of Skyrim largely rests on the dubious claim that Todd Howard would lie about the sales of his own game. Just because he's made exaggerated claims before, doesn't mean it makes sense to discount his word on a totally separate topic. CD Projekt Red has lied way more than Todd yet the Witcher 3 is currently on this article. Shivj80 (talk) 02:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

ferret Following up on this, do we have to start a new discussion to get Skyrim back on here? Shivj80 (talk) 00:36, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

What is there to discuss? Nothing new has been presented. The information still only comes from a single throw away comment in a hour+ long interview about a different game. No further confirmation from Bethesda or Microsoft. -- ferret (talk) 01:13, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Also, many of the games on this list and the most sold franchises list are based off of „a single throw away comment“. GesundemBrot (talk) 12:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

The same can be said of the 195 M of GTA V, so you should remove it from the list as well.

Most of those numbers are estimate anyway, so your argument doesn't justify ignoring one in particular. Like in history, truth is something difficult to corner, but it's more informative to give a value, tell where it's coming from and allowing the reader to decide, rather than making people believe Skyrim isn't on that list at all just because the sales might be a little off from the claimed 60 M.

It only makes Wikipedia look even more untrustworthy. 2A02:A03F:C0B9:7C00:10AE:9445:12B2:ED54 (talk) 08:17, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

GTA V's sales number came directly from Take-Two Interactive's earnings report, not an interview. Prefall 08:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Skyrim has been confirmed to have been surpassed at least 30 million sales. First widely reported by GamesRadar and many media websites not from word of mouth of Todd Howard. Articles here. Skyrim should be properly recorded for at leats 30 million in sales. Somebody here on this page isn't properly recording.

https://gamerant.com/bethesda-games-best-selling-ranked/#:~:text=2%20The%20Elder%20Scrolls%205%3A%20Skyrim&text=Bethesda%20also%20shipped%207%20million,sold%20over%2030%20million%20copies. Hatrick24 (talk) 16:30, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Do you really think, that you are telling Bethesda something and being cool by not putting the game on the list, even though it was on it when it had 30 million copies sold (Source: Todd again), which is hyprocritical. Also, the official Skyrim Wikipedia page itself includes the number of games sold and by that, it makes it very obvious that you hold a personal grudge against Bethesda and/or Howard. The majority opinion would agree that Skyrim should be on the list period. GesundemBrot (talk) 12:02, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

I want to throw my hat in the ring and say Skyrim should be on here. There is zero reason for it to not be here when an executive from Bethesda shared the updated sales number in an official press interview. Charizard777 (talk) 05:19, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Todd Howard is a certified liar lol. He is known for lying and many fans criticized him especially for Starfield. Kazama16 (talk) 22:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Lmao no Todd Howard never lies. He may exeggerate some features of his games, and some things get cut in development, but every demo for Skyrim, Fallout 4, 76 and Starfield show exactly what you get in the game. He is trustworthy. Swedishplayer97 (talk) 16:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Todd Howard doesn't lie, he just only explains the good part of his games, and not the bad part. Please stop with these false claims, so skyrim can be on this leaderboard. Thanks Swedishplayer97, Shivj80, Farenghar, GesundemBrot and Charizard777 for wanting to put skyrim on here. Nerderd (talk) 23:33, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

That's a completely unrelated point. Just because it was mentioned in a separate interview does not discredit it's validity. We have other games listed on here solely off of developer statements such as Stardew Valley, where it was only mentioned on Twitter nonetheless. It's blatantly obvious people here just have a personal bias against Bethesda for whatever reason. Skyrim was listed here years ago with 30 million copies. It is widely regarded as the most popular open world RPG ever, 60 million seems like quite an accurate number to that title. You've given no real evidence why Todd Howard's claims are not official. 67.214.28.212 (talk) 21:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm new here but I agree. If it is on the Skyrim page then it should be on this page as well. Swedishplayer97 (talk) 16:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

You'll notice the Skyrim page states "according to" and "he claimed". Both are presented in a way as to be worthy of skepticism, as it is. Obviously, Skyrim does belong on this list, and I do believe Howard's number to be roughly accurate. But for the purposes of this article in particular, there's just no source that's substantial enough to allow it. If you look across this article, sourcing here is from official press-releases, and secondary sources reporting on official IRs. RammyRamRamRam (talk) 06:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Stardew Valley is listed here based on a Tweet from it's developer. Just about the same degree of validity that Todd Howard has, arguably less. 67.214.28.212 (talk) 21:23, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Somebody on this page has a personal vendetta against Todd Howard or Bethesda. Likely that Kazama guy. You're not being truthful by gatekeeping. He's right some of these sources are way more questionable. When we have multiple news outlets that have reported at least 30 million in sales years ago. Hatrick24 (talk) 16:32, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2024

Include The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim selling 60,000,000 copies AwesomeGuy2256 (talk) 14:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done See previous conversations on this talk page with regards to Skyrim Timur9008 (talk) 14:14, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Tetris is wrong

The link you have is 100,000,000 mobile phone downloads. Most sites e.g. IGN have it as 520 million downloads. 203.206.3.177 (talk) 13:17, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 August 2024

Add change to best-selling games list to add Skyrim having sold 60 million copies.

Reference: https://www.gamesradar.com/skyrim-has-sold-60-million-copies-making-it-the-seventh-best-selling-game-ever/ 4.16.148.21 (talk) 20:07, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: This request was literally just closed above. -- ferret (talk) 20:32, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Payday 2

According to starbreeze themselves, payday 2 has sold at least 40 million copies by January 2023. https://news.cision.com/starbreeze-ab/r/2023---the-year-of-payday,c3691450 AwesomeGuy2256 (talk) 11:07, 25 August 2024 (UTC)