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I suggest the biblical Hagar should be the primary meaning of this name. PatGallacher (talk) 19:50, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. The case for WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is convincing. Moreover, the strongest argument against the move, that Hägar the Horrible is equally worthy of primacy, fails disambiguation conventions for two reasons: 1) the comic character's name is styled with an umlaut (Hägar) which is considered sufficent disambiguation; and 2) "Hägar the Horrible" (and not simply "Hägar") is the correct name of the article's subject, being about the comic strip as a whole rather than just its titular character. As Hagar (the biblical figure) is known simply as "Hagar," the comic disambiguates itself. -- Hadal (talk) 17:58, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]



HagarHagar (disambiguation) – Article should be moved to Hagar (disambiguation) in order to make way for Hagar (biblical person) to become Hagar. The biblical use appears to be the original use of the name, and several pages on the disambiguation page make reference to the biblical name. PeRshGo (talk) 16:05, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • It is true, in that the article on Hagar the Horrible (with or without the diacritic, which I actually think we use in error in the comic character title) is not and should not be called simply Hagar. A hatnote is certainly helpful, but to allow this comic to usurp the name of a person (mythical or otherwise) of enormous worldwide significance just because the comic is temporarily popular in the USA is laughable. If that's what the guidelines suggest (and I don't think they do) then the guidelines are wrong. Note that English Wikipedia is for all English speakers, not just native speakers. Andrewa (talk) 15:31, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's nice to talk about how we think people should use the English language, but the plain fact is that the comic character IS commonly known as "Hagar". It is not our place to judge that usage. olderwiser 16:04, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree strongly with this except for the claim that the comic character IS commonly known as "Hagar". In terms of WP:NC and in the context of a Requested Move I think I must read this as refering to usage in reliable sources. I think this is a difficult call, and not a plain fact at all. Andrewa (talk) 16:11, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Probably. And works on Islam, for example, will similarly use Hager unqualified to refer to the biblical character. It doesn't seem terribly helpful either way. Andrewa (talk) 18:46, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ironically, the issue here seems to be ambiguity. Agree that we do need this disambiguation page, and I thought that was obvious, because otherwise surely I'd suggest we propose it for deletion rather than just vote for renaming. But the current disambiguator on Hagar (biblical person) is unnecessary, because there is no other article with the name Hagar, and specifically, it is not proposed to rename the article at Hagar the Horrible either to Hagar or to some explicit disambiguation of Hagar. Andrewa (talk) 21:17, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some of the supporters, and your comments seemed to indicate you were among them, argue that the comic strip is not ambiguous with Hagar because the title of the article for the comic strip character is Hägar the Horrible. That is simply wrong. The only question at hand is whether the person from mythology is the primary topic. olderwiser 21:44, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • You're right, I do think it's a factor to consider. Agree it's not the most important factor, but the problem is there's no way of determining primary topic definitively here. It seems to me that several equally valid ways of deciding primary topic, and that they lead to different answers. So does that mean that there's no primary topic? No, most people seem to agree that there is a primary topic, I being one of them. So we need to consider other factors that wouldn't otherwise be relevant. The fact that Hagar the Horrible is already naturally disambiguated offers an elegant solution, and I think we should take it. Andrewa (talk) 19:31, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (again), per Paul B, et al. Also, the closing admin should note that no evidence has been presented that a significant proportion of readers looking for the comic strip expect to find it simply by typing in "Hagar". Cavila (talk) 19:00, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Additional definition of Hagar

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Hi everyone haven't tried to submit information to Wikipedia before so not sure if this is how you go about it. I typed in Hagar looking for information on Hagar International a charity involved in helping women escape from forced prostitution. Would be good to add the charity Hagar to the disambiguation page/ write an article on it. Just a thought. :) 121.73.96.252 (talk) 22:16, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]