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A fact from Great Reset appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 5 December 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a petition by Canadian member of parliament Pierre Poilievre to stop the Great Reset amassed 80,000 signatures after a conspiracy theory spread about it?

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 14:03, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that a conspiracy theory claims that The Great Reset will be used to bring in a New World Order? Source: The New York Times
- ALT1:... that a petition by Canadian Member of Parliament Pierre Poilievre to stop The Great Reset reached 76,000 signatures after a conspiracy theory spread about it? Source: Toronto Star
- ALT2:... that according to the World Economic Forum, the COVID-19 pandemic has provided an opportunity to reshape the global economy, which it calls The Great Reset? Source: World Economic Forum

Reviewed: 3rd nom

Created by Username6892 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:42, 21 November 2020 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Disclaimer, I did accept this article at AfC, but I am not a significant contributor. I c/ed the hooks to rm improper italics. I think ALT0 is best. (t · c) buidhe 05:10, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This cannot go on the main page giving any kind of credence to the theory, which all the sources call "baseless". So I am adding that word to the hook:
ALT0a: ... that a baseless conspiracy theory claims that The Great Reset will be used to bring in a New World Order? Yoninah (talk) 14:02, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Possible source

Corona, Climate, Chronic Emergency WAR COMMUNISM IN THE TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY By ANDREAS MALM

ISBN 9781839762154

"In Corona, Climate, Chronic Emergency, leading environmental thinker, Andreas Malm demands that this war-footing state should be applied on a permanent basis to the ongoing climate front line. He offers proposals on how the climate movement should use this present emergency to make that case. There can be no excuse for inaction any longer."

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/667901/corona-climate-chronic-emergency-by-andreas-malm/

Here's a book from a major publishing house which is germane to the topic. Not sure how editors would like to spin this. Thanks.

Should the conspiracy theory be it's own article?

I feel like this topic has become a bit confused. For example, someone earlier in the talk page (intentions unknown, but their point is actually a valid one) mentioned that there's no "criticism" section on this article, only "conspiracy theories". I feel like it'd be better if this page was dedicated to mostly rational discussion (praise and criticism, mindful of WP:DUE), based on the actual proposal, and then a "conspiracy theory" section with a sentence or two which links to another article, describing the conspiracy smoothie based on it. MarkiPoli (talk) 07:51, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

agree this article tends to downplay the substantial negative coverage Jtbobwaysf (talk) 08:56, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree now that the article is longer. When I created this article three years ago, neither section was long enough for its own article. ~UN6892 ^t_c 09:53, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think that your argument that mainstream criticism needs to be separated from conspiracy theory has a lot of merit and makes a very good case for separating out a Great Reset conspiracy theory article. There is also a lot that can be added to such an article, but which would be unconstructive clutter in this article. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 21:35, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I cleaned out a little of the unsourced stuff as well as failed verification. The section currently is decent, far from what would be needed in a standalone article. It still reads a bit like an editorial and is a bit odd where many sentences start by repeating the conspiracy theory wording again and again. Might do to summarize a bit more. Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 09:11, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support why not? RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 11:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have created a draft: Draft:Great Reset conspiracy theory. Although, it is pretty hard to distinguish discussion/criticism about the actual proposal and the conspiracy theory. Just for information's sake, the conspiracy theory and the proposal itself seem to have been somewhat forgotten by now, so we would be using sources from quite a while ago. Feel free to edit to bring it up to standard for main space. MarkiPoli (talk) 11:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I oppose a separate article as it creates a content fork. There is very little difference between the two bits of content, it is just a different interpretation of it. Great Reset in its original form talks about a society reset and why it is good and the Great Reset (so called conspiracy theory) talks about why the same reset it bad. Its not different enough to warrant a content fork. WP:CFORK states that "While content forks that are different page types covering the same subject are acceptable, they should not contradict each other—contradictions should be corrected or removed." This proposal doesnt address that this goes against policy. Most of the supporters of this appear to seek to move the conspiracy content off the article as it provides an alternative explanation of the article subject. This proposal thus seeks to rather than address the contradiction on the main article it seeks to whitewash the main article and move the contradictory content off to another article. This is not encyclopedic and is contrary to policy. It can more or less be summarized (to intentionally oversimplify) that "The Great Reset" is good and supported by a book and has these plans. The fork article would rather contradict this article by saying "The Great Reset" is bad (and is therefore referred to as a conspiracy theory) and has these plans (which are often misinterpreted). This is proposal is laughable when viewed in terms of our existing policies. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 08:06, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support 100%. LOLHWAT (talk) 14:27, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What gibberirsh is this?

From, of course, the tinfoil-hat conspiracy section, it begins with this fine sentence of mutliated English:

The term "Great Reset", also known as the "Liberal World Order" or "Global Liberal Order", can also refer to a conspiracy theory called by the same name.

What the hoot does that actually mean? 146.90.208.196 (talk) 09:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]