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B.B. Lal

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I've just removed this:

However, the Helmand River of Afghanistan does not debouch in the sea, instead it terminates in a lake (Lake Kasaoya). The works of Kochhar is strongly refuted by archaeologist B.B. Lal, on the basis of tropical fauna and flora associated with the Rigvedic people in their homeland.[1]


References

  1. ^ Srivastava, G. S. (2018). "Saraswati River: It's Past and Present": 503–521. doi:10.1007/978-981-10-2984-4_35. ISSN 2364-6454. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)


It's not clear if Srivastava is the source for the first sentence; but more importantly, B.B. Lal is not a serious source in this respect. The man may have been head of the Archaeological Survey of India, but his views on the Aryan migrations and related topics are far out of touch with the academic mainstream, and cannot be taken serious. See Steve Farmer, Richard Sproat and Michael Witzel, The Collapse of the Indus-Script Thesis: The Myth of a Literate Harappan Civilization:

...one popular book strongly influenced by Hindutva ideas (Lal 2002)

For WP:NPOV, a counter-balance should be provided. And Lal's own publication shpuld be referred: Lal BB (2002), The Saraswati flows on: the continuity of Indian culture. Aryan Books International, New Delhi.

Regarding Srivastava himself: the phrase "Indus-Saraswati Civilization" gives a hint of his pov; "neotectonic block movements along Ropar and Yamuna Tear Zones" at Harappan times is an outdated theory; see singh et al. (2017). Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:05, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Making a correction to the dates when Satluj stopped feeding the Ghaggar river

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The following timing of the river is completely false. There is not a single paper exist that supports this timing.

"Few centuries ago, the adjacent Sutlej river was part of the Ghaggar river. In 1797 AD the course of the Sutlej river shifted towards the north to join the Beas river."

The Sutlej completely stopped feeding the Ghaggar rriver shortly 8,000 years ago as asserted in the Nature publication sited. The abandonment started about 15,000 years ago and completed shortly after 8,000 years ago. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-01643-9 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Havimel (talkcontribs) 06:01, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maplink?

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Can somebody add a maplink map of the river to the infobox? It is marked on the OpenStreetMap, with a Wikidata entry. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:25, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 5 January 2023

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Participants have pointed out that the focus of this page is on the Paleochannel called Ghaggar-Hakra and not the present day Ghaggar river. Hence this page is Not Moved (non-admin closure) >>> Extorc.talk 18:44, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Ghaggar-Hakra RiverGhaggar River – Because:

  • In a Google Books search, Ghaggar river (23,000) gets more hits than Ghaggar-Hakra river (5,040). Ghaggar river also gets more hits than Hakra river (8,410). Added later: "Ghaggar river" (in quotes) gives 5,600 hits, more than either "Ghaggar-Hakra river" (2,190) or "Hakra river" (3,250), or the both of them combined.
  • Among books published by scholarly publishers, Ghaggar river (1,080) again gets more results than Ghaggar-Hakra river (312) or Hakra river (659).
  • The river part of the river (that is, the portion which is a body of water) is mostly limited to the “Ghaggar” part, the “Hakra” portion is a dried up channel and since the Thar desert receives very little rain during the monsoon, this portion remains mostly dry even when the Ghaggar portion swells with water during the wet season. This source cited on the article, for instance, uses “Ghaggar-Hakra” to refer to the paleochannel, but “Ghaggar River” when referring to the river. This one clearly uses Ghaggar for the river primarily and uses Hakra only as an alternative name used beyond Ottu Barrage (in the desert).
  • Like articles of other rivers with multiple names, like Brahmaputra, Sutlej and Neelum, this article should be titled Ghaggar River, with Hakra mentioned as alternative name in the lead sentence, and then Ghaggar-Hakra or Hakra used in the body whenever a source mentions such name, especially when talking about the IVC.

Comments

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I think you missed the point. "Ghaggar River" refers to the present day river, whereas "Ghaggar-Hakra" refers to the paleo river-channel. They are different topics. Google counts won't tell you what topic the sources are dealing with. So using Google counts to make a decision on this issue is flawed. The real discussion should be about the pros and cons of these two different topics. In my opinion, "Ghaggar-Hakra" is the more important topic and "Ghaggar River" can be covered within that page. If a separate page for "Ghaggar River" is warranted, that can be created. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:47, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - regarding [[tq|This source cited on the article, for instance, uses “Ghaggar-Hakra” to refer to the paleochannel, but “Ghaggar River” when referring to the river.}}, Singh et al. (2017) actually state

The subsequent identification of this palaeochannel, known as the Ghaggar in India and the Hakra in Pakistan [...] The Ghaggar–Hakra palaeochannel has been claimed as the former course of a large Himalayan river that provided water resources to sustain these Indus settlements12, 33, 41, 42, which include important sites such as Kalibangan, Banawali, Bhirrana and Kunal. Moreover, the palaeochannel has been linked with the mythical Sarasvati River

So, these authors refer to the whole paleochannel as Ghaggar-Hakra. The topic of this article is Ghaggar-Hakra, not just the Ghaggar. As I noticed before, the present-day relevance is in the identification with the Sarasvati. So, an alterbative move is "Ghaggar-Hakra river and paleochannel." Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:34, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Can someone please change the hyperlink in the information box? I'm inexperienced and I don't know. So, I am asking you. Badlucksuks (talk) 17:55, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]