Talk:Fallout (American TV series)

Grammatical error and incorrect place name for Episode 8

In the section describing the synopsis for Episode No. 8, make the following changes to correct mistakes:

Change the sentence: "Lucy turns the head over to Moldaver, who reveals when Hank is from, that Rose left the vault with infants Lucy and Norm, that Hank found her and took the kids back, and that Hank was responsible for the nuclear bombing of Shady Sands, turning Rose into a feral ghoul." to the sentence... "Lucy turns the head over to Moldaver, who reveals where Hank is from, that Rose left the vault with infants Lucy and Norm, that Hank found her and took the kids back, and that Hank was responsible for the nuclear bombing of Shady Sands, turning Rose into a feral ghoul." This corrects a grammatical error with the use of "when", instead of "where".

Change the sentence "Maximus makes his way to Lucy and frees her father but attacks him after Lucy reveals Hank's role in Sandy Shades destruction." to the sentence... "Maximus makes his way to Lucy and frees her father but attacks him after Lucy reveals Hank's role in Shady Sands destruction." This is to correctly name the town that was bombed from "Sandy Shades" to "Shady Sands" Bkenna (talk) 23:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. @Bkenna: This page is no longer protected. RudolfRed (talk) 01:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Impact on games

There are many articles since the series was released stating record concurrent players across games (notably the most ‘current’ ones: Fallout 3, New Vegas, 4, and 76), catapulting the series as some of the most played games during April. There are even articles suggesting that Microsoft possibly even starting to invest more assets into developing the next Fallout game despite Elder Scrolls 6 dropping first, trying to capitalize on its current popularity. Also the newest season of Fortnite will have Fallout included. The ‘fallout’ of the series releasing on gaming, if you will. Anyone else this this is worth noting? 2603:6080:6004:85C:B0EC:8E89:9664:D308 (talk) 19:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

On Undos on Character bios.

My edit was undone, claiming inaccuracies. So I address them here, @Ferret.

In the case of Snake Oil Salesman, that is his official cast credit: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12637874/characters/nm1789985?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t27 he is also named as such in other instances in the franchise.

As for the fact that Bud Atkins is the manager of the buds program, this avoids spoilers about the origin and purpose of Vault 31.

Finally her friend's status is determined by their common knowledge, certainly Lucy has different opinions and relationships since her departure from the vault.

I find it distasteful to just revert edits such as this and regard them as "Unconstructive"

(Sebastian) 16:04, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

IMDB is an unreliable source. Either way this is clearly a description and not an actual name. As for Bud, we don't censor spoilers. Bud's role in the show is the management of the vaults. "Bud's Buds" is not a thing he manages, but a group of people he gathered together. Lucy's opinion of Annabel O'Hagan after she left the vault sounds like WP:OR on your part. Why would Lucy's opinion of Annabel have changed? She doesn't know anything about what's happening in the vault after she left. -- ferret (talk) 16:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

IMDB is Amazon owned, the own publishers' source. Buds buds its a vault-tec managerial program, as stated on the show. Meaning Buds buds is the origin of Vault 31 as show canon. Her opinion might have changed due to the fact of her knowing things about the origin of the vaults, her father and the other new relationships in her life. Going for Originality, how can we call her her 'best friend' when their relationship is not even touched upon on the series, apart from a passing statement.

As for the Snake Oil Salesman, feel free to fix the grammar to your liking, but i find it pretty clear that his name is stated as such in original sources as his credit.

(Sebastian) 16:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Tian2992 WP:IMDB - IMDB is a user-generated source and is inherently unreliable on Wikipedia. As you say "her opinion might have changed", which is why I'm saying you're doing original research. -- ferret (talk) 16:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Saying she was her friend at her departure is not original, it's a factual statement.

Here is the credits, "Snake Oil Salesman", capitalised as such, the name of the character. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSwEI6xKG5I?t=1041 (Sebastian) 16:35, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Tian2992 Please self-revert. You are edit warring by restoring contested content here, particular the fact that there are grammar issues. -- ferret (talk) 16:09, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

I was willing to discuss, as the content is backed by sources, you don't seem willing to compromise, learn nor comprehend. (Sebastian) 16:35, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Please give a read of WP:BRD. We make edits, they get reverted, then we discuss. We don't just restore them. -- ferret (talk) 16:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Be happy I'm not going to push this further, @Ferret, but just know that as a seasoned editor, this whole interaction just leaves me as a reminder of the lack WP:AFG common on power hungry admins, and without a further desire to contribute, even on edits born out of passion for the topic. (Sebastian) 16:39, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

AGF is not a death pact. Plenty of AGF has been given here, and there is no belief you are acting maliciously. That doesn't mean your edits cannot be discussed or reverted. Casting aspirations like "power hungry admins" is a far greater lapse of AGF than anything I've said in this interaction. -- ferret (talk) 16:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

I would say, leaving a User talk page message saying my edits were "unconstructive", and "disrupting" does not seem like assuming good faith, neither does reverting before I even had the chance to post on the talk page, nor doing it again as the discussion was still ongoing. You are the one that engaged on 'just restoring them' while I even proposed changes to fit your grammar qualms. Also note the inherent power dynamic of being an admin vs a common user. I tried discussing before reverting while you gave no regard.

Also, seeming I provided the original source for the Snake Oil Salesman character's title, I don't see it fixed. (Sebastian) 16:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Because it is not a name. It's just a descriptor of the character. Credits use sentence case. I reverted you with a stated reason. You reverted and restored your content with no edit summary at all. I reverted again explaining why, and gave you a standard warning on it. You posted to the talk page in response, then immediately reverted again. You did not wait for any discussion or replies before doing so. Nothing about this interaction involves me being an administrator. -- ferret (talk) 17:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Well, with capital letters, it is also written that way in other sources.1234 Why it shouldn't be the character's name? I would also say that immediately marking the edit as unconstructive and disrupting is not the best procedure, next time you should choose a more detailed description of what bothers you.Jirka.h23 (talk) 10:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jirka.h23 Could you research a little more before you reply? I did not immediately mark an edit as "unconstructive and disrupting". Here are my two edit summaries: These are not really improvements to the brief descriptions. Snake Oil Salesman is not his name or a proper noun for one., and Per last. Unexplained restoration of inappropriate grammar and details.. As for "Snake Oil Salesman" as a name, the first source makes mention of it just once and the grammar can be read as descriptive, the opportunistic Snake Oil Salesman. The latter three of the sources you provide all use "the Snake Oil Salesman" as well, just without an adjective inserted, as a title/descriptor, as you would anyone without a clear direct name. This is not the characters name. He doesn't greet people with "Hi, I'm Snake Oil Salesman." -- ferret (talk) 13:50, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Ah then I'm sorry, I was only responding to what was written here on the talk page. But I still don't understand your arguments. It's written multiple times everywhere, and in the text, and all capital letters, it's not just in the title of the articles.Jirka.h23 (talk) 16:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

It's very much used like a title, and throughout the prose of all four of those sources, the article "the" is always included in front. When we talk about "the President", "President" is not a name. We don't know his actual name, just how he is referred to. -- ferret (talk) 16:34, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

He is also referred in Fallout 76 as literally 'Snake Oil Salesman'. Another canon source. For me it is clear it is his character's name, he is 'the Snake Oil Salesman' (which seems needs pointing out, is not the same as a proper name, nor is just a descriptor, as there are no other snake oil vendors seemingly in the franchise, neither appearing as an established guild of sorts). (Sebastian) 01:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Are you saying the only thing you're missing is "the"? Why didn't you just fill it in, we could have solved it without this long discussion.Jirka.h23 (talk) 05:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

... I contested multiple aspects of the edit, not just this. This is not a name or a formal title. The article presents the information in a correct grammar fashion already. -- ferret (talk) 05:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I can confirm that in Fallout Shelter he is also called "the Snake Oil Salesman", as in other articles. I edited it in the article and sourced it.Jirka.h23 (talk) 05:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

to me, "the Snake Oil Salesman", with capitalisation as such is perfectly valid, as that is how he is represented elsewhere. A single edit back then would have been perfect. (Sebastian) 20:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Poster or TV logo

So there has been a disagreement between me and user @Nyxaros of which primary image to put for the Fallout page. He thinks that the Fallout poster should be the primary image of this page. However, I disagree with him and I feel like the Fallout TV logo would be better as the main image and that the poster should be used in the future Fallout season 1 page. What do you think @Ferret? Should it be the TV logo and the poster? Mxhyn16 (talk) 18:46, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

I think the poster brings far more value to the readers, myself. That's what we do for films and many miniseries. The basic Fallout logo is not really unique to the TV show. -- ferret (talk) 18:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

This isn't about you @User:Mxhyn16. There's just nothing wrong with using a poster as mentioned by MOS:TVIMAGE and there's also no point of removing it to upload a logo image that is already on the poster. ภץאคгöร 19:16, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Given that the show has a logo, I don't see any reason to deviate from it, regardless of whether it's similar to that of the main franchise or not; see Halo (TV series). QuestFour (talk) 11:25, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Should be the poster. The logo is not even mentioned on MOS:TVIMAGE. If not a poster, it should be a screenshot of the interstitial with the title, Halo should be changed too. glman (talk) 13:22, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Age

What age is it for 2A00:23C5:F798:2601:F0B4:DDE2:33A2:EEA2 (talk) 21:26, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Including the date in the first paragraph

I don't know if you're fully aware on your watchlist but this user @Laterthanyouthink added a date on the first paragraph because they believe that it's one of the most important identifiers. For me, I don't think it's necessary to have a date in the first paragraph because one: it feels like we're stretching too much; and two: the date is already listed in the third paragraph and there's no point of listing it twice. I might as well bring in @Alex 21 because they probably know more about this and they recently ran into this user on The Wheel of Time page. Mxhyn16 (talk) 23:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

The date is one of the primary sources of information sought by readers, and a useful identifier. A good measure of where it should be placed is what you see when you hover over a blue link, or what comes up in Google search on the title. We're trying to make the encyclopaedia as useful and easy-to-navigate as possible, and see MOS:FILMLEAD - the same applies for TV series. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:53, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

The lead already includes the date; there is no need for duplicate information. FILMLEAD covers, unsurprisingly, films; this is not a film. See MOS:TVLEAD instead. -- Alex_21 _TALK 07:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)