Talk:Ali Amin Gandapur

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Avoiding an Edit war

Pinging SheriffIsInTown, instead of engaging in an edit war, I suggest we talk about it here. I agree about moving the Sobia Shahid audio to her page, but I'm confused why you keep deleting my other edits. Mine are neutral, unlike yours, where you add the claim "Critics argue that his appointment as Chief Minister has hurt the party's image and ability to govern effectively." He's only been in power for three days, so how did you come to this conclusion?? WikiEnthusiast1001 (talk) 22:47, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Critics are talking about his appointment as Chief Minister which had already happened, not about his governance performance but I removed the "ability to govern" part. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 22:50, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, basically you're admitting you came up with the governance part which indicates you have a bias. I don't think you should be editing this article, and I'm sure others would agree. WikiEnthusiast1001 (talk) 22:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Following is what the source say exactly, I did not come up with anything, this was as per source.

Critics argue that such appointments undermine the party's credibility and its ability to govern effectively.

Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 22:58, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Understood, I apologize for the accusation and have started a request on a dispute resolution. WikiEnthusiast1001 (talk) 23:05, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiEnthusiast1001 We have a talk thread open here and we have a WP:DRN discussion open, why wouldn’t you wait for a resolution and instead go for another revert, this is not called "avoiding the edit war." Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 19:04, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I addressed the issues you had a problem with and now there's nothing left to debate. WikiEnthusiast1001 (talk) 22:48, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, you did not address all the issues. You still removed the content about his misogynistic behavior toward Maryam and added a few cherrypicked comparably less offensive of his comments. If we are not summarizing his behavior then we are not adding only specific comments then we are adding everything he said. He talked about slapping her face in a public rally, you excluded that and tried to pacify it by making it look like that his comments were only about corruption. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 23:01, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The edit I made showed exactly what he said, and frankly, it revealed more of his "misogynistic" behavior compared to your edit. Your edit didn't mention the slapping incident; you only referred to "provocative and sexist comments about Maryam Nawaz with aggressive language." The term "provocative" typically refers to sexually suggestive remarks, but talking about slapping someone or discussing corruption doesn't fit that description. You're welcome to include his remarks about slapping her; this should resolve our issue, no? WikiEnthusiast1001 (talk) 23:10, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This was my text:

Gandapur is regarded as one of the "most misogynistic" politicians in the nation, having made provocative and sexist comments about Maryam Nawaz with aggressive language.

And this is what source stated (we add what sources state):

Ali Amin Gandapur is one of the most vile and misogynistic politicians in the country. Here he is making sexist, inflammatory comments about Maryam Nawaz before a charged crowd using violent language. Horrifying to imagine he could be the CM of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa

Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 23:20, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I already told you that "provocative" isn't the right word here, and you wrote it yourself; it's not in the tweet. Also, you added, "Gandapur is regarded as one of the 'most misogynistic'," but who regards him as such? This statement implies it's a shared opinion among a group of people, but its just the viewpoint of one person who wrote the tweet. We're aiming for neutrality here. I believe the problem we have is a misunderstanding of semantics on your part. WikiEnthusiast1001 (talk) 23:40, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can address the "most misogynistic" part but "provocative" means same thing as "inflammatory", I just paraphrased it. Talking about "slapping a woman" is considered "aggressive tone" and "she think she is beautiful" qualifies as a "sexist remark." Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 23:53, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion of Shakeel Ahmad resignation

@SheriffIsInTown you have undone my edit because government actions do not belong in person articles, yet the entire resignation of Shakeel Ahmad was from the Gandapur ministry. Either include Shakeel Ahmad’s resignation only in the Gandapur ministry page or include the full story here. Titan2456 (talk) 17:55, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no mention of his resignation, only his exposure of Gandapur's corruption which belongs in this article. Shakeel's resignation is not mentioned and should not be mentioned here. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 18:04, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would be necessary to include both sides of the story, as Gandapur de-notified him based on a constitutional article. Titan2456 (talk) 18:12, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gandapur didn't denotify him; the government's accountability bureau did so on Imran Khan's orders. The source doesn't mention any role played by Gandapur in his denotification. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 03:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The accountability panel was Gandapur’s and the source says that Gandapur issued the de-notification himself. this is information directly related to Shakeel Ahmad’s allegations, hence I do not see any reason to cut it out when the rest of the story is here. Titan2456 (talk) 03:30, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The rest of the story focuses on Gandapur's corruption. Since the accountability bureau is part of the government, its actions should be included in the Gandapur ministry article, not here. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 03:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The accountability bureau is Gandapur’s, you can reword it to fit a bio article better, but to exclude the information completely would be unnecessary, it is a key part of the story. Titan2456 (talk) 03:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The accountability bureau belongs to the government, not Gandapur. There is a fine line and you are missing it. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 10:36, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]