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Default behaviour of CSD logging

It took me some fiddling around, looking at other people's CSD logs to figure out that they're not manually added, but typically via Twinkle. That said, CSD logging is disabled by default in Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences § Speedy.

It wasn't clear to me if I needed to create User:Shushugah/CSD log manually or if it would be created automatically once setting is enabled. If automatic, are there any defaults, e.g archiving set up? Is there a good reason not to make this a default setting with automatic creation the first time an editor nominates article for speedy deletion? ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 13:31, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would support opt-out rather than the current opt-in for CSD/PROD logging. Primefac (talk) 18:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I concur, default on with opt-out makes more sense to me. KylieTastic (talk) 12:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is easy to code, but could get some pushback once deployed. Hopefully some more talk page watchers can chime in with their thoughts before we commit to doing this. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We've discussed this before: /Archive 47#csd/prod/xfd: turn on userspace logging by default. Nardog (talk) 21:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I read the older discussion, but I am not persuaded by the reasonable expectation of privacy. Any edits created on Wikipedia is irrevocably released and typically searchable by any other editors. In the current implementation, if a CSD tag is declined, that would be permanently visible in edit history of that page as well as a user's edit. If someone is so concerned about privacy, that their declined CSD tags become visible they should not engage in CSD tagging to begin with. All that said, they still would be able to turn off the logs setting and request WP:U1 deletion. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 10:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't do CSDs or PRODs very often, so not really affected; i do remember trying to work out why they weren't being recorded automatically many years ago, as Shushugah seems to be referring to. Seems to me that opt-out would be more sensible for both these logs. Happy days, ~ Lindsay^Hello 13:20, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per Nardog this is not really a setting intended to be default-on. I think we should instead make the option more discoverable, such as by placing a footer link "Enable CSD logging" leading straight to the option on the pref page, for users who don't already have it enabled. – SD0001 (talk) 00:46, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question About What Warning to Issue

In an XFD discussion, I entered a Keep !vote, and the nominator struck out the bolded Keep with an explanation. My question is what Twinkle warning can or should I issue. I gave a Level 3 warning for Disruptive Editing, but I would have preferred to give something more specific. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

More generally, if I would like to propose that a new Twinkle warning be added, is this the place to make the suggestion, or should I make it somewhere else? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Twinkle only exposes some of the standard warnings available - see Wikipedia:Template index/User talk namespace for more. Not sure if any more precise warning exists, but I think "Disruptive Editing" is very accurate if they remove an opposing !vote without a clear and valid reason. KylieTastic (talk) 18:54, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd use one of the Uw-tvp* templates. "Refactoring other's talk page comments". Example: {{Uw-tpv3}}. I found it by going to TW -> Warn, then clicking on the dropdown box with all the user warnings. There's a spot to search. I typed "talk", and if that didn't work, I was going to try searching for "tpo". –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I saw "Refactoring other's talk page comments" and didn't know if striking the Keep was refactoring. Maybe I will use it next time, but maybe there won't be a next time, because I think that this is the first time I have seen that behavior, and it should be the last time.

They didn't remove an opposing !vote. They struck it. The principle is the same.

The editor deleted my warning, so they saw it and have been warned. Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Query

Tracked in github.com
Issue #1382

Hello, Twinklers,

I'm hoping Twinkle experts like Novem Linguae can answer this question (and a comment). I see an admin somehow mass-tag pages with CSD notices. Except for Batch Delete/Undelete, I thought Twinkle only worked on one article/User notification at a time. What is this feature that would allow me to tag multiple pages and, at the same time, send out multiple notifications? I've been using Twinkle almost as long as I have been editing but this is news to me.

My comment is one I have raised here several times over the years. While, when I delete a page, Twinkle will delete the Article, the Article talk page, any Redirects but NOT Redirect talk pages. I have to run a special Quarry query to find orphaned talk pages that weren't deleted by Twinkle. This seems like an easy feature to add and, if it was a concern, exempt User talk pages from this operation. But I assume that I'm not the only admin who has brought this up here so you must have some explanation for why Twinkle doesn't do this. Thanks for any answers you can supply. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:37, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I am aware, you cannot mass-tag articles. You can certainly mass-delete using d-batch, but tagging pages needs to be done on a per-page basis. Since Twinkle is semi-automated, it would be fairly easy to pull up a large list of pages and then tag them sequentially per-page.

As a minor note, you don't need to do a Quarry search to find what links to a page, just use Special:WhatLinksHere. I do agree though that catching the talk page redirects would be useful. Primefac (talk) 10:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see an admin somehow mass-tag pages with CSD notices. Post a diff and I can take a look at how they did this.

While, when I delete a page, Twinkle will delete the Article, the Article talk page, any Redirects but NOT Redirect talk pages. Yeap, this has had a ticket since 2021. Ticket. I even wrote a patch for this once for batchdelete, but batchdelete is a lot of work to test, so I gave up on it. Maybe one day when I have more time I'll take another stab at it. No time this month though. –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, Novem Linguae, look at this page, the CSD C1 taggings for September 19th, September 14th or September 8th. All of them happened at the same minute, it's 7:57 am on my clock for the 19th. I've seen this before but it was seeing this yesterday that prompted my post. Maybe it's just fast fingers from a speedy editor!

As for the Redirect talk pages, it helps to know that, at least, there exists a ticket out there, it's just a low priority. But I'll now stop bringing it up here over and over again. That's something! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:54, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those diffs do have the Twinkle tag so they are from Twinkle. Maybe Explicit can answer the question of how he tagged 7 CSD C1's in 1 minute. (We're not saying that's too fast. I think Liz is just curious if there's a mass CSD C1 tag feture in Twinkle.) –Novem Linguae (talk) 03:34, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We'll see if he responds. I'm their least favorite person on the project. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:42, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I didn't know about that. Whoops :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:53, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doing 7 in a minute is fairly easy to do with a task like this if you open up multiple tabs, maybe triage them, then go back and process with twinkle. Assuming they were just processing Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as empty categories I think they could have done it comfortably without pre-loading all in tabs first. Also I can't see how you could bulk tag as surely you should look at each and check it's valid, even if that check only take 2 seconds. KylieTastic (talk) 09:00, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Warning typo

Tracked in github.com
Issue #2015

{{uw-longsd}} is missing the "g" in twinklewarn.js (see [1]. Can someone file a pull request? Thanks. C F A 💬 00:16, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where is warn entry?

I don't see the "warn" entry, how to fix? Susbush (talk) 17:43, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Susbush. Are you on a user or user talk page? Do you see the TW menu? When you click that open do you see the "Warn" link? –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:27, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see the TW menu, but not the "Warn" link. Susbush (talk) 01:20, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What URL are you at when you're looking at the TW menu? Warn will only show up if you're on a user page or user talk page, and if that page isn't your own. –Novem Linguae (talk) 03:09, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, so that's why it wasn't showing up. Susbush (talk) 11:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

XFDCloser issue?

There's some potential cross-script issues between this and WP:XFDC, if any of the technically-minded back-end programmers could check out this conversation at XFDC's talk page, we would much appreciate it. Primefac (talk) 12:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Replied there. Bug is not caused by Twinkle. – SD0001 (talk) 18:14, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Warning about citing Wikipedia

Am I right in thinking that Twinkle does not have a warning template for people who cite Wikipedia? If so, could one be added? Does such a template already exist? I have been unable to find one. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've been using Template:Uw-circular. Hope this helps! DonIago (talk) 15:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. That is for when a user "cited the information you added to another Wikipedia article or an external wiki." - a small subset of the cases I describe. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You might have better luck at Wikipedia:Template index/User talk namespace; Twinkle doesn't host (or create) warning templates, it just provides an easier way to post them. Primefac (talk) 13:27, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I may be being a bit thick here, but I guess I'm not seeing the distinction? Are you talking about citing Wikipedia outside the scope of Wikipedia itself? DonIago (talk) 15:17, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, the confusion is mine; I misread the template. Apologies. I have changed the wording slightly to make it clearer. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:57, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request: Last protection duration in dialogue box?

Is it possible, when bringing up the dialogue box to protect a page, to show the duration of the last protection? Like how when you're blocking someone, it shows how long the last block was for. ... discospinster _talk 19:52, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting addition of new welcome template

Hey folks! I'd like to request the addition of Template:Welcome draft to Twinkle's welcome menu. There has been a lot of interest from AfC reviewers for a welcome message tailored toward new users who have already started building drafts. The welcome template was adapted from a custom message I've been using, with refinements provided by other reviewers at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation#AfC-tailored Welcome template. The template supports a parameter for a linked article. Please let me know if there are any questions. Thanks! ~Liance^talk 16:23, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request: Inline parenthetical referencing

It would be nice if {{Inline parenthetical referencing}} were added. Snowman304|talk 01:14, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Missing line break when protecting AFD page

Reported by @Star Mississippi at User talk:Star Mississippi#Quack!.

There should be a line break at the end of line 1 in this diff.

Posting here to remind myself to investigate more before deciding to make a GitHub ticket. Maybe it's as simple as ticking a box or something. –Novem Linguae (talk) 15:44, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]