Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Icewhiz
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09 October 2024
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Suspected sockpuppets
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There are behavioral similarities between Galamore and the User:O.maximov/User:UnspokenPassion accounts I reported at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Icewhiz/Archive#27 August 2024 (pinging blocking admin HJ Mitchell). There are also similarities between Galamore and other confirmed/suspected socks, so I'm not sure who the master is (if anyone). Per RoySmith's advice here, I'm filing it under this case to stick with one case file and not sweating the details of which file.
I had this timecard theory:
- Galamore edits 5-7 [1]
- User:Sakakami edits 8-10 [2]
- User:O.maximov edits 11-13 [3]
- User:UnspokenPassion edits 13-14 [4]
- (see also User:Geshem Bracha [5], User:Hippeus [6], User:Mvqr [7])
Sakakami had been on my radar because the account was created Aug 8, just a few days after I filed an AE report against O.maximov, and Sakakami made ~500 edits almost exclusively to category namespace in a handful of days in Aug and Sep, hit XC 9/9 7:29 [8], and their very next edit at 7:43 was at State of Palestine. But Sakakami was recently confirmed to User:Dolyn, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Dolyn/Archive#07 October 2024. I don't know if Dolyn is related here but I've decided to file Galamore under this case page instead of that one.
Galamore was previously mentioned at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bennet43/Archive#17 January 2024 and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ElLuzDelSur/Archive#26 April 2024
Same similarities as in the prior O.maximov/UnspokenPassion filing: repeating each other's edits, similar talking points, and "drive-by" habit (only making one edit to article/talk page, to support another sock)
- 2024 Nuseirat rescue operation: Galamore, O.maximov
- Talk:Genocide of indigenous peoples
- O.maximov: "This isn't a clear-cut case of a colonial power committing genocide against a indigenous population. We're looking at two groups, both with historical ties to the land, both claiming indigenity. Jews have always seen themselves, and were seen by their neighbors all around the world, as being from this area."
- Galamore (Galamore's only edit to this article/talk page): "the Palestinians are not widely described as indigenous except for several opinionated articles ... Given that they should not be described as indigenous (maybe just part of them, so if we consider them all indigenous, Jews are no less indigenous, as this is where the Jews first appeared in history ..."
- UnspokenPassion: "The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is generally understood as a struggle between two ethnic groups, both laying claim to being indigenous."
- Talk:Palestinian genocide accusation
- UnspokenPassion: "does not reflect a consensus from reliable sources ... requires a stronger consensus among scholars"
- Galamore (only edit to article/talk page): "this framing is rejected by most scholars on the topic"
- Talk:Gaza genocide
- UnspokenPassion: "better aligns with the terminology used by leading reliable sources and avoids issues with ambiguity and neutrality"
- Galamore (only edit to article/talk page): "better serves in protecting Wikipedia's neutrality"
- Talk:Israel–Hamas war: UnspokenPassion, Galamore
- Talk:List of genocides: O.maximov, Galamore
- Talk:Gaza Strip famine: Galamore, O.maximov
- Jordanian option (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) - See article history: UnspokenPassion expanded this redirect into an article, Galamore picked up after UnspokenPassion was blocked 1, 2
Aside from similarities between Galamore and O.maximov/UnspokenPassion, there are also similarities between these three accounts and two other accounts, OdNahlawi and PeleYoetz, that have been reported at another currently-pending SPI, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/OdNahlawi:
- Zionism, removing "colonization": O.maximov, Galamore, O.maximov, PeleYoetz
- Talk:Zionism, "no consensus": Galamore, O.maximov, PeleYoetz
- Israel
- Talk:Palestinian suicide attacks - created by UnspokenPassion
- UnspokenPassion: "suicide bombings deliberately targeting civilians"
- UnspokenPassion: "Suicide bombings ... that target civilians"
- Galamore (only edit to article/talk page): "The term terrorism is entirely appropriate ... suicide bombings that primarily target civilians"
- PeleYoetz: "the term 'terrorism' can be used when it is common in literature ... suicide bombings targeting civilians are widely recognized as acts of terrorism"
- UnspokenPassion: "the term 'terrorism' is entirely appropriate"
- O.maximov (for completeness)
- Talk:2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel: Galamore, PeleYoetz - only edits by G or PY to article or talk page (I also saw here ManOnTheMoon92: Special:Diff/1200340083)
- Battle of Maroun al-Ras (2024): Galamore, PeleYoetz - only edits for both
- Battle of Odaisseh: Galamore, PeleYoetz - only edits for both
- Talk:1982 Lebanon War: both arrive at the same time to an article they've never edited before, to jump on the same side of the same dispute:
- Galamore: "it does not seem to reflect the prevailing view"
- Galamore: "Having found a few sources that share the same sentiment and hold the same minority view does not make this perhaps verifiable claim something widely agreed upon in relevant scholarship."
- Galamore: "Please prove this is the majority view"
- Galamore: "see WP:ONUS - not all verifiable information must be included"
- PeleYoetz: "No, the burden is on those seeking to include disputed content, even if they have found several sources that seem to support their own point of view. Most sources do not use this term."
- Galamore: "They say nothing about IDF facilitating the massacre, that's false."
- PeleYoetz: "The bottom line is that portraying the Sabra and Shatila massacre as "Israel facilitated the massacre" is a POV rather than an established fact. The sources provide a broader and more nuanced explanation. All agree that the Phalangist militias committed the massacre, while the exact role of the IDF is highly contested. Views range from (opinionated) accusations of facilitation, such as those presented by Makeandtoss, to more measured assessments that highlight Israel's failure to prevent the massacre rather than direct involvement or facilitation."
- Galamore: "Even if that's what's the word facilitating means I think it is pretty clear that not all sources are on board with that. The more neutral ones say there is a debate about Israel's part of responsibility. What most agree on is that the IDF failed to intervene stop the violence, but using the word 'facilitated' based on just some of the sources is POV."
- Talk:Israel: PeleYoetz, Galamore, PeleYoetz
- Talk:Israeli apartheid: OdNahlawi, Galamore
- Talk:2024 Hezbollah headquarters strike: OdNahlawi moves to "Attempted assassination of Hassan Nasrallah", Galamore "A more relevant move would be to attempted assassination of Hassan Nasrallah"
- Talk:Golan Heights: G jumps in and answers for PY: PeleYoetz, Galamore
Edit summary similarities:
- Many vague, canned edit summaries like "added info" or "adding info and sources"
- Galamore all 2,100 contribs: e.g. "Added more information and citation" [9] [10]
- Uppagus contribs: e.g. "Added much information with sources and links" [11], "Added sources, links and much information" [12]
- OdNahlawi contribs: "added information and citation" [13] [14]
- PeleYoetz contribs: "naming sources and adding info" [15], "Added general info with sources" [16], "I added more info" [17]
- O.maximov contribs: "add more info" [18], "added update info" [19] [20], "added info" [21]
- UnspokenPassion contribs: "Adding an update" [22] [23], "Adding a source" [24] [25]
- "detail"
- Galamore: "dropping figures, no need to get this level of detail here" (how many Palestinians and Lebanese have been killed)
- Galamore: "number of bombs not really important at this level of detail" (how many bombs dropped by Israel)
- But: Galamore: "Reverting recent edit that removed important, factual details on Palestinian political violence"
- PeleYoetz: "list of places too detailed for this article" (places occupied by Israel)
- But: PeleYoetz: "I changed the introduction to add more important detail on the neighborhood" (the important detail is "renowned for its eclectic architectural styles, and often regarded as one of the most beautiful neighborhoods in the city")
- "historical truth"/"historical facts"
And of course, all the accounts share the same Israeli nationalist POV. Throw a dart at the EIA for all of them [26] and you're likely to hit a pro-Israeli edit. Levivich (talk) 23:09, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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