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Image:RihannaVMAMTV.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Zachri29 (notify | contribs).
Image:Vladimir Putin Time Man of the Year.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Emerson7 (notify | contribs).
  • Fails NFCC#8. Non-free rationale does not suffice for the inclusion of image in the article. Citing also Wikipedia:Non free content#Images 2 giving examples of unacceptable use of non-free images: "A magazine cover, to illustrate the article on the person whose photograph is on the cover. However, if the cover itself is the subject of sourced discussion in the article, and if the cover does not have its own article, it may be appropriate." Obviously, this is not a case if using the cover to illustrate the person whose photograph is used on the cover, nevertheless, the rigorous requirement for an exception to the general prohibition outlined here (i.e. sourced discussion of the magazine cover) is not met by the nominated image. meco (talk) 07:27, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - The image is used in Time Person of the Year, which is not "the article on the person", so Wikipedia:Non free content Images #8 doesn't seem applicable. This image seems as good as any to illustrate what it means to be "Time Person of the Year" (photo on cover with "Time Person of the Year" near your mug). -- Suntag (talk) 08:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
NFCC#8 reads "Significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic." Do you assert that the inclusion of this images "significantly increases readers' understanding of the topic"? __meco (talk) 09:11, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The image's presence in the article would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic because it illustrates what it means to be "Time Person of the Year" in a way that words cannot. Suntag (talk) 09:33, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What is it that you think the readers will not be able to understand if that picture does not accompany the article? If it's the fact that "Man of the Year" is announced on the cover of Time, surely that is utterly self-evident, and even if it should not be, it certainly would suffice to mention this in the article to ensure readers' full understanding of this? For the use of a copyrighted cover to be admissible there must be some sourced discussion of that image. In this case that does not accompany the image which simply functions to illustrate the article. __meco (talk) 11:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To use this image in the "Time Person of the Year" article, there does not need to be any discussion about Vladimir Putin. The article goes into Time's usage of one of their magazine's covers for Time Person of the Year and the image increase readers' understanding of that. -- Suntag (talk) 16:07, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously there is no issue of Vladimir Putin being discussed in the article or not (noone has asserted that). You state that "[t]he article goes into Time's usage of one of their magazine's covers for Time Person of the Year", using the rather vague term goes into, and perhaps rightly vague since the word cover is mentioned two times only in the article (not counting the image desription), none of which are part of any discussion of the selected image. Such a discussion, is a requirement for allowing the use of a non-free magazine cover, and in addition, the discussion would need to be referenced. The minimal discussion in the article is over Time's "editorial embarrassment earlier [in 1827] for not having aviator Charles Lindbergh on its cover following his historic trans-Atlantic flight" which I don't see in any way meriting this image (or any other Time covers) under an NFC rationale.
As for your last assertion that the image increases readers' understanding of Time's usage of one of their magazine's covers for Time Person of the Year, again, I take it you are referring to the "Lindbergh embarassment". In that context I can not see that a random "Time Person of the Year" cover is going to be of more than marginal help in understanding that incident, certainly in no way enough to be deemed significant or essential and hence justifying invoking Fair Use. __meco (talk) 19:07, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What I have just written may be irrelevant if the cited requirement does not apply to the use of cover art in general but only to the use of cover art when the person on the magazine cover is identical to the subject of the article. Then the provision that applies would be Wikipedia:Non free content#Images #1: "Cover art: Cover art from various items, for identification only in the context of critical commentary of that item (not for identification without critical commentary)." I suppose this provision would suffice for the current usage. However, the rationale given will have to be tweaked to make this clear. Should this be the case, however, I still question whether the significance requirement of NFCC#8 is satisfied. __meco (talk) 19:07, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As for the three images in Category:Fair use TIME Person of the Year covers that you mentioned, Image:Willy Brandt Time.jpg seems like a good IfD candidate. Image:Time Man of the year 1957Hunagarianfreedom fighter.jpg probably isn't. -- Suntag (talk) 16:57, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps there is a cover that actually drew some interest for its artistic qualities. Without that sort of commentary, it's more in line with NFCC not to use a nonfree cover image here. — Carl (CBM · talk) 12:54, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "A cover that actually drew some interest for its artistic qualities" would be a sub topic to a main topic. Most of the article is about being on the Time Man of the Year cover. Beteween this Time Man of the Year cover and another cover, I agree there might be a Time Man of the Year cover better suited for the article. However, between this cover and no cover, this image's presence in the article would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic. -- Suntag (talk) 16:20, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Image:Sarah-palin.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Satt 2 (notify | contribs).
  • I do not think that the State of Alaska releases it's Governor's official biography photos into the public domain and could not find anything on it. The uploader was asked about this on 31 August 2008, but did not provide an answer. The photo is redundant of several in her Wikipedia article and is not needed even if in the public domain. -- Suntag (talk) 07:29, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete based on no source provided. Nominator's assertion that it is unlikely that the image should be in the public domain, however, is untenable as the U.S. government generally releases all images to the public domain. __meco (talk) 15:36, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikipedia:Copyright says, "Also, most state and local governments in the United States do not place their work into the public domain and do in fact own the copyright to their work." I don't know why Alaska would place their work into the public domain and could not find the Alaska law which says they do. Suntag (talk) 15:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Image:Projectrunwayaustralialogo.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Starczamora (notify | contribs).
  • Keep JPG, delete SVG - Fair use images should not be remade to SVGs since SVGs can be scaled to any size, and that breaks the fair use rules. Seo75: I see that you were the one that uploaded the SVG version of the image. I suggest you instead make a smaller, transparent PNG version of the image based on your very nice SVG. Since the current JPG has some ugly artefacts. (If you don't have the tools to make a transparent PNG at home, then simply view your SVG in the proper size here at Wikipedia since MediaWiki renders that as a transparent PNG, then right click on it and save that PNG to your disk.) --David Göthberg (talk) 14:08, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Since I think this was a clear case I did as I stated above. That is, made the SVG into a reasonable resolution PNG: Image:Project runway australia logo.png. Then I deleted both the SVG and the JPG, since we may not keep the JPG now that it is not used in the article anymore. --David Göthberg (talk) 12:30, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - As near as I can tell, this raster image does not contains information that could be stored more efficiently and/or accurately in the SVG format, as a vector graphic. See the text at Template:ShouldBeSVG. Also, the SVG version is 97 KB and the JPG version is 5 KB. Deleting this image might break the “attribution path” for the new SVG image, which breaks licenses such as the GFDL. I think more reasoning is needed before we break the license. -- Suntag (talk) 15:39, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per David Göthberg's 12:30, 12 September 2008 post. -- Suntag (talk) 18:54, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Image:SanJoseMapWithLAFCOandAdjacentCitiesandSJandCAYellowRed.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Niteowlneils (notify | contribs).
Image:Doxefazepam.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Fuzzform (notify | contribs).
Image:George Sykes.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Hlj (notify | contribs).
Image:US execution methods.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Rmhermen (notify | contribs).
I thought png was the preferred format? Rmhermen (talk) 20:35, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Possibly true. One of them should go, obviously it doesn't matter to me which. I simply nominated the PNG as the GIF has a transparent background, is smaller, and is in use (though only on a userpage). - AWeenieMan (talk) 23:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Image:Jimhightowerthievesinhighplaces.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Saopaulo1 (notify | contribs).
Image:FClogo.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Hardouin (notify | contribs).
Image:TheGirlWhoKnewTooMuch.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by JlsElsewhere (notify | contribs).