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Incorrect information and severe bias

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Hello,

In the revision as of 11:15, 28 January 2024 of this page, user @VenusFeuerFalle added a claim that is problematic at best and plain incorrect at worst. The claim's dubious nature is worsened by the fact that the user is a citizen of Turkey, a country which does not have an unbiased role in this wider Middle-Eastern conflict.

The claim presented by @VenusFeuerFalle is cited below:

"In modern times, Yazidis face persecution by the PKK and ISIS."

Two sources are provided for this claim: one article from The Washington Institute, and an opinion written by Bilgay Duman in Milliyet, a Turkish newspaper. I will begin by covering the opinion article from Milliyet.

The article cited from Milliyet is written by Bilgay Duman, a researcher from Turkey with a focus on the Middle East. He does not, however, seem to be an authority on Yazidis or Yazidi history. Additionally, his previous news articles have often shown support to the Turkish government. This in conjunction with the fact that the article is an opinion, leads to the conclusion that the source must be seen as an opinion from a person who is not an authority on the topic. Additionally, Milliyet is a Turkish newspaper that, according to Media Bias/Fact Check, has mixed factual reporting, is owned by a pro-government company, and usually publish articles that are supportive of a government that is conducting active warfare against the PKK. This makes the source heavily biased pertaining to the topic at hand. Combining the bias, the opinionated nature of the article, and the writer's lack of authority makes this source weak.

Because the claim that references this source is so contradictory to commonly-accepted facts that the PKK in fact protected and saved the Yazidis from religious extremists combined with the weakness of the source itself, it must be rejected.

The article from The Washington Post relates to intra-Kurdish conflicts related to PKK and KDP rivarly, in this particular case manifesting in the PKK's control of Sinjar, to the ire of the KDP which controlled the area until 2014. It does not whatsoever mention any persecution by the PKK against the Yazidis. Rather, it details the conflict between the PKK and KDP and minor skirmishes that have occurred throughout the years, and how this affects the Yazidis. The article also covers Turkey's relationship in this Kurdish rivarly, further highlighting Turkey's very active role in this conflict.

Because of the reasons stated above, this incorrect claim should be removed from the article. Serbazrebaz (talk) 19:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Because the claim that references this source is so contradictory to commonly-accepted facts that the PKK in fact protected and saved the Yazidis from religious extremists combined with the weakness of the source itself, it must be rejected."

Dear User, with all due to respect, nothing said here resonates with what is generally known. Quite contrarily, the PKK is recognized as a Radical Left-Wing Terrorist Organization, attempting to overthrow the Turkish State and to establish a communist revolution. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 22:48, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I usually adhere to the idea that "something stated without evidence can be disregaded without evidence. However, since I just recently made the awful experience that even questionable claims can get a lots of attention, it is better to clarify potential confusing on a matter. Therefore, I decided to offer a few sources as introduction into the topic:
  • The Paradox of Legitimacy: Resilience, Successes, and the Multiple Identities of the

Kurdistan Workers’ Party in Turkey. Particular attention, in the context of this article, should be paid to the following quote:

In response to the PKK’s common practice of coercive recruitment tactics, the Turkish military forcibly relocated Kurdish villagers into major urban centers that proved to be fertile areas for PKK recruitment.

Please note, that this article does not intent to make moral judgement about political decissions, rather it is abuot the truthfullness concerning the claim that the PKK is a threat to Yazidis.--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 01:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

“The PKK [a political and militant Kurdish party based in Turkey] saved us. They cleared a path for us so we could escape the Sinjar Mountains into Syria.”
“Thank God for the PKK and YPG [a Syrian branch of the PKK].”
“If it wasn’t for the Kurdish fighters, we would have died up there.”
https://theworld.org/stories/2016/07/30/if-it-wasn-t-kurdish-fighters-we-would-have-died-there
"Yazidi volunteer defenders, the Syrian Kurdish forces (YPG) and Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), along with an international coalition led by the United States, led to the opening of a safe passage from Mount Sinjar to Syria from 7 to 13 August 2014. The United Nations Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Syrian Arab Republic (‘Inquiry on Syria’) found that IS’s actions against the Yazidis amounted to multiple war crimes and crimes against humanity, as well as genocide."
https://www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Committee/421/CIMM/Brief/BR9342569/br-external/Yazda-e.pdf
A U.S.-designated terrorist group is saving yazidis and battling the Islamic State
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/08/11/a-u-s-designated-terrorist-group-is-saving-yazidis-and-battling-the-islamic-state/
There's even an entire Wikipage stating the PKK helped the Yazidi's:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinjar_massacre
And to top it all off. The cited link states KDP, not the PKK. The rest is Turkish propaganda sites which does not coincide with English journalism as well as Yazidi's themselves saying they were saved by the PKK. 70.29.13.217 (talk) 00:18, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 August 2024

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We yezidis ar not kurds so remove the first text and don't say that we are kurds because its not the truth, "Yazidism is an ethnic religion." change it to that. And not a group of kurdisch community or something, some kurd hate us more than isis. DIANAAA.2 (talk) 23:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 23:28, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 August 2024 (2)

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X

Y Yezidism is a monotheistic, ancient religion practiced primarily by the Yezidi people, an ethnoreligious group primarily from northern Iraq DIANAAA.2 (talk) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 23:41, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Misinformation about PKK and ISIS

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There is serious misinformation from user @VenusFeuerFalle in the revision as of 11:15, 28 January 2024. @Serbazrebaz already wrote the details of it.

In brief, ISIS and the PKK are not on the same level regarding the persecution of Yazidi people.

The first source from the [Washington Institute](https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/iraqi-yazidis-trapped-between-kdp-and-pkk) does not claim that the PKK persecuted Yazidis; rather, it states that Yazidis suffered from the conflict between the KDP and the PKK.

The second source, from [Bilgay Duman](https://www.middleeasteye.net/users/bilgay-duman) (a specialist on Turkmens in Iraq) in the Turkish journal [Milliyet](https://www.milliyet.com.tr/yazarlar/dusunenlerin-dusuncesi/yezidiler-ve-pkk-gercegi-6785272), is not reliable because he claims that "the PKK did more than Daesh" regarding persecution, which is obviously false and indecent (there was a [genocide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidi_genocide#Classification_as_a_genocide) of Yazidis by ISIS between 2014 and 2017).

In conclusion, even if we have evidence of persecution by the PKK, we cannot equate this with the genocide committed by ISIS.

Thanks for reading. LordSaumon (talk) 14:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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