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Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2024

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The article provides a false information about Tommy Robinson. He is not anti Islam, he is anti extremists Jihadists. He was wrongly accused and then was released from prison without the charge! Facts are available and proper journalists can allocate it. Do your research and provide facts before publishing such a gross misinformation! 194.223.185.245 (talk) 06:03, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Wikipedia presents a neutral point of view based on how the subject is described in reliable sources. Do you have reliable sources that can corroborate the idea that he is not anti Islam or at least evidence a proportionate viewpoint that counters this view? CloakedFerret (talk) 08:25, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In this interview with Jordan Peterson he describes growing up a multi faith community. From approx. 36:40 onwards he make it clear that he is anti islamist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnhwBoFxaDI
This article quotes him specifically stating he not anti islam:
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/i-am-not-racist-or-anti-muslim-tommy-robinson-tells-high-court-in-libel-case/ 81.77.105.184 (talk) 16:03, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of course he denies it, that does not mean he is telling the truth. Slatersteven (talk) 16:07, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We don't prioritise his own views on the matter; we say what reliable sources say. Also see WP:MANDY. — Czello (music) 16:15, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your sources are not reliable though. You cannot use the rantings of extremely biased left-wing journalists as a reliable source in this "impartial" article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.97.160.225 (talk) 17:31, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He’s not anti Islam?

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Please can we not feed the troll?
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You can’t call him anti Islamic when he isn’t. He’s friends with Muslims and everything. He’s anti men raping and molesting our children. EBONORy999 (talk) 16:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RS say otherwise. Slatersteven (talk) 16:26, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What reliable source? EBONORy999 (talk) 16:33, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because anyone with any sense wouldn’t listen to just “reliable source” like sky news. BBC. Your meant to be impartial but your taking a side EBONORy999 (talk) 16:35, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, its called wp:policy, now if you are not happy with it you can try and get it changed (but not here). Slatersteven (talk) 16:38, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
thank you i will look into it further EBONORy999 (talk) 17:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
EBONORy999, which are your WP:RS secondary sources that explicitly say he's "not anti-Islam"? I'm sure we would all like to see them. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:02, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This from only last week, or have you forgotten:
"On 29 July, the day of the attack on a group of young girls in Southport, far-right influencer Tommy Robinson repeated on X the false rumour that a Muslim asylum seeker who'd arrived on a Channel boat was the culprit. On the site, where he has nearly one million followers, he repeatedly linked the stabbings to the Muslim community, and said that the Government was "gaslighting" the public about the events. In the days after the attack, his X posts received an average of around 54 million daily views."
Martinevans123 (talk) 16:57, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
it was a second generation immigrant. in the jordan peterson interview from the 29th he legit talks about all this. EBONORy999 (talk) 17:22, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And the kid he lied about in 2018? Slatersteven (talk) 17:31, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So didn't arrive on a boat then is what you're saying? CNC (talk) 17:31, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Axel Rudakubana, a 17-year-old British citizen born in Cardiff to parents from Rwanda." But I'd also like to hear what EBONORy999 is saying. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:57, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The father of Axel Rudakubana, who murdered killed three children with a knife in the 2024 Southport stabbing, was Christian and the family was heavily involved with the local church? What exactly did Robinson say in that interview? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:07, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please avoid WP:BLPCRIME violations, even in talk pages ideally. There is no confirmation that Rudakubana murdered anyone, he is currently charged with such a crime and is due to face trial in 2025. Please strike your comment accusing a suspect of being guilty, thanks in advance for respecting policy. CNC (talk) 18:45, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, of course. My mistake. Perhaps it wasn't really murder at all? I wouldn't want to prejudice the jury's deliberations. So I have now adjusted my comment above. Or would you would like me strike out the whole comment entirely, CNC? What's your view on the subject of this discussion thread? We're waiting to hear about Tommy Robinson's view of this incident. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Go watch silence by Tommy Robinson. Our churches are being burned. Kids being butchered and no one cares. The kid is second generation so he was born in uk but his parents weren’t. This site is pushing false information. EBONORy999 (talk) 20:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’m just a kid really. I’m scared and I’m fearful. For my dad. An ex military man who fought in the Middle East. I’m scared for my nieces. I’m scared and I can see the corruption. It scares me all. I don’t get if people don’t agree with Tommy why don’t they do something different and better EBONORy999 (talk) 20:13, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You said above "This site is pushing false information." What exactly do you see as "false" in this article? "Silence by Tommy Robinson" sounds like an oxymoron. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Irish citizenship

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It has been widely reported recently that he is an Irish national, his mother is Irish and he holds an Irish passport. He should be listed as "British-Irish national" 80.43.192.102 (talk) 11:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per MOS:NATIONALITY, the connection isn't strong enough to include in his description in the lead. TFD (talk) 11:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is a separate subjection on "Irish passport", which I think is enough. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Connection between a number of Russian stakeholders and Tommy Robinson

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The connection between a number of Russian stakeholders and Tommy Robinson (real name: Stephen Yaxley-Lennon) is well established.

https://x.com/A_SHEKH0VTS0V/status/1831282591552479358 Sneuper (talk) 20:16, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure is a link to a single post on Planet Musk makes that claim "well established"? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We don't base article content on X/Twitter posts: see Wikipedia:Reliable sources. If and when this gets reported in the media, we can consider including something. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tommy Robinson is a proud Zionist so not Far Right

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I understand how this page came to this conclusion. This label of Far Right follows Tommy Robinson from common knowledge to Main stream media. However it's not correct. He has stuck up for Jewish people's rights for protection in the U.K. even before October 7 2023 and he's a proud Zionist as he himself has said in at least one more recent interview. This is also common knowledge to the point he is constantly accused of working for the Israeli government. As well as he is hated by actual far right groups for the same reason & also because he admits to having friends of all colors that he has known his whole life. I understand political terminology is not grounded in facts as much as it used to be but him being a proud Zionist should be enough to have Far Right removed. I'll do the work and list the links with time stamps if needed but if there was any unbiased research done in the first place you would know this already. Wikipedia used to represent truth based in factual evidence. What counts as proof for an edit these days? Weymouth77 (talk) 23:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia bases content on what published reliable sources say, and not on the personal opinions' or 'research' of contributors. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:42, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Published reliable sources? How many of those reliable sources use Anonymous sources these days?Are they still all that reliable. The man did a documentary with the teachers and children involved with the liable case from the Syrian boy who was "waterboarded" If they don't count as reliable sources and the person who this page is based on own words don't count as reliable then what's the point? I bet if it was an admittion of guilt that would count. It's my fault I should've read the other edit requests first. I would've known I was wasting my time. And maybe since he is a proud Zionist that doesn't work in his favor here. Or maybe I'm wrong. Either way it's another one of life's learned experiences for me. Actual truth based in facts has no place in today's Wikipedia. One thing based in facts is if Wikipedia editors can't be unbiased then they shouldn't be anywhere near an editing gig on a site that claims to be based in facts.I really don't mean to come off like an a**hole. But every main stream media has it's own goals and political views. That's what used to make Wikipedia great. The people could show their proof and let the readers decide. You have better things to do than read my words. I don't envy your job. Not by today's rules. I hope you have a good night or day and wish you nothing but health and happiness. Thank you for your time and help. Weymouth77 (talk) 00:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]