Talk:Mein Kampf in Arabic

This article as usually in Wikipedia is Arabophopic but that's expected from an "encyclopaedia" that creates an article named "mein kmpf in Arabic" but no article named "mein kampf in Turkic or Persian or English"

Here below articles on the REAL popularity of Mein Kampf in Persian and Turkish, why there is not articles on Turkish mein kampf or Persian mein kampf!? Here below news on mein kampf being best seller in Turkey Italy and Iran, however you won't find any Arab country where Mein Kamps is best seller (except being 10th most sold book in Ramallah but I am sure that it's Israelis who bought that book massively in order to portray Arabs as anti-Semites [even if Arabs are themselves Semites]) http://www.stephenhicks.org/tag/mein-kampf-a-bestseller-in-turkey/ http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/mar/29/turkey.books http://www.middle-east-info.com/gateway/antisemitism/index.htm This article as usually in Wikipedia is Arabophopic but that's expected from an "encyclopaedia" that creates an article named "mein kmpf in Arabic" but no article named "mein kampf in Turkic or Persian or English" In this article Arabs are 11 times equated with being racist Really attested racist, genocidial, apartheidist countries like France, USA, Turkey, Iran, USA, Germany, Myanmar, China etc...in their wikipedia articles fot their culture there is not any mention to racism, genocide etc.... As for Darfur, it's not related to Arab culture besides Sudanese are not Arabs but are Black Africans merely speaking in Arabic same as Jamaicans are not English but merely Black Africans speaking English Best Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.227.166.243 (talk) 02:57, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately: 1) The "Arabs can't hate Jews because they're Semites themselves" thing is really quite meaningless and incoherent. The word "Semite" has no useful non-linguistic meaning when discussing peoples of modern times (as opposed to tribesmen of 1000 B.C.), yet for over a century the word "antisemitic" has been consistently used in the English language to refer to hatred of Jews only. 2) Your conspiracy theory about Jews buying Arabic Mein Kampf translations in Ramallah is quite ridiculous and absurd -- and in any case, unless valid sources mention it, it can't be included on the Wikipedia article. 3) Arab nationalism has had its aspirational and visionary side, but also its seamy and violent side, and Wikipedia can cover both, as long as relevant sources are available. AnonMoos (talk) 07:03, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Are you a moderator here, if yes may I ask you why Arabs are equated with being racists 11 times in the article here below supposed to talk about Arabic culture whereas wikiarticles about the culture of countries with really attested genocidial and racist past such as France USA Italy Spain Japan Portugal Germany Russia Turkey are not mentionning even 1 occurence of the racist term Of course there are racist and fascist peoples of Arab descend as everywhere in the world, however both this article (for it being the only article speaking about mein kampf in a considered language) and the article about Arabic culture (that mentions 11 times racist arabs whereas really racist and genocidary countries like USA Germany Spain Portugal Belgium Turkey) make the wikireaders think that racism+fascism+genocide are innate characteristics of the Arab people Wikipedia reminds me the anti-semite propaganda of the 30's wich had very disastrous results as it builds arabophobic feelings amongst wikireaders that surely will think bad of Arabs when they see that Arabs were 11 times equated with racism in the wikiarticle speaking about Arabic culture (but no mentions of racism in other wikiarticles speaking about cultures of other peoples) and that amongst all peoples there is an exclusive wikiarticle about Arabic meinkampf Please read the wikiarticle here below about Arabic culture , Arabs are 11 times equated with racists in this article whereas there is no mention of racism in the articles about the culture of really racist and genocidary peoples like USA Turkey France China Russia (even if their cultures are essentially Semite be it their religion or alphabet or religious holidays) but those countries are stong countries and the strongest is the one that writes false history whereas poor and naive and weak like Arabs must be equated with racists!! while really racist and genocidary nations dont!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_culture That said there is NO any foreigners killed in whatever Arab country for nationalist or racist ideology (most of Arabs are islamist and racist or nationalist parties do not exist) however every year there are dozens events of nationalist attacks in countries such as Russia Turkey India Burma (and even Anders Breivik's Norway) Wikipedia should be honest and objective and not act like a Goebelsian propaganda to show Arabs as vilains by exclusively (out of all nations) equating Arabs with racism 11 times in a wikiarticle supposed to speak about Arab culture and to fabricate out of nothing this wikiarticle (based on statisitics of a sole bookstore of a sole tiny Palestinian city there is an implicite propaganda that Arabs tend to read meinkampf and tend to be antijew) If we were antijew, for God sake, why there was not persecution or holocaust of jews by us Contrary to Germany, here in Tunisia (see article below) many peoples saved Jews from Nazists http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_rescue_efforts_during_the_Holocaust For example Khaled abdelwahab (who btw is from my own native town of Mahdia) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_Abdul-Wahab Jews are seen by Arabs as a neigbor nation and are not vilified (in reality there is no much care about other nationas) and relations between Arab people and Jew people are friendly despite them occupying and colonizing Palestinians and Israel state possessing Apartheidist policies As for why meinkamp was well sold in a bookstore in Ramallah , this is because that book was forbidden and peoples tend to like trying forbidden things (like Marijuana or forbidden books in Nazi Germany and Communist Russia;especially if they are the Palestinians that are daily victims of Israelis destroying their houses and killing their children) but if you do a survey now on book sellings in that bookstore or in any other bookstore in Arab world I will be very surprised if that book is being sold at all (perhaps a dozen of lunatic in each Arab country will buy that book but we cannot generalize for 300 mln Arabs due to 100 lunatics bought that book) Please cite me a single Jew that was killed by Arabs (outside-due to self defence-wars against israeli soldiers) Do you know that many Northafrican Arab Muslims are Jew converts or stem from Phoenicians who are an Hebraic people and that ethnically and religiously and racially and linguistically Arabs, Assyrians and Jews are very close!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.224.232.200 (talk) 18:54, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Whatever -- you certainly sling around tired old pseudo-left-wing buzzwords with abandon, but you've said almost nothing whatsoever which is relevant to improving this article (which is what this discussion page is supposed to be for). It really doesn't matter how much some Arabs have genetically in common with Jews, or whether some Arabs descend from Israelites/Jews of ancient times -- if those Arabs (or any others) have a bigoted hatred of Jews, then by definition they're Jew-haters or antisemites. Pan-Arab nationalism may have some noble ideals, but its Arabic word (قومية) literally means "tribalism", and under rulers such as Nasser and Saddam, it led to the deaths of hundreds or of thousands who were not enthusiastic about subordinating themselves to the "tribe" in the manner decreed by Nasser or Saddam. Furthermore, the Farhud and the 1967 Libya pogrom didn't have much to do with "self defence-wars against israeli[sic] soldiers". AnonMoos (talk) 00:50, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

And this deserves its own article because?

Certain people want everyone to know that Arabs are racists, anti-Semites, and Nazi sympathizers. In other words it's anti-Arab propaganda. Some of this information should be in the main Mein Kampf article, but it doesn't deserve its own and Wikipedia should be ashamed that such a blatant propaganda piece, clearly designed to defame an entire people, is allowed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.73.88.76 (talk)

Don't assign motives to people you don't know. --Jprg1966 ^(talk) 16:37, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Don't tell me what to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.73.88.76 (talk)

Do you deny that Mein Kampf has been translated into English and has played a role in Arabic politics? If not, then it's not really propaganda, now is it? On the other hand, if you do, there is a metric shitton of evidence to the contrary...

Weird "decadent people" quote

Unlike the article states, a "decadent people composed of cripples" is not a 'quote' as Hitler did not write that in Mein Kampf.

If I understand the sources right, it rather seems to be the conclusion that the Egyptian paper drew from other relevant Hitler quotes, one of them (so the discussion by German officials suggests) actually being in the book – but they don't give any hint to what it was. -- 131.188.6.21 (talk) 16:10, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Revisiting this article

This article was created in 2011. It was at the time the subject of a great deal of bitter argument, largely centering about the contention in the article that Mein Kampf was a bestseller in the Palestinian territories. The contention originated in a story in AFP, which quoted a statement by a single bookseller in East Jerusalem, who said he was selling 10 copies a week. The bestseller claim was repeated in numerous publications, including in the official Israeli Foreign Ministry website; these publications were cited as reliable source information, and to a large degree became the justification for a separate article (other translations of the book are discussed in the article Mein Kampf.

At the time the article was written, there were no published and well-recognized bestseller lists of Arabic language books. It was therefore impossible to refute this dubious claim with confirmable evidence. Today, however, there are dozens of Arabic bestseller lists, both official and unofficial. There is the list at Amazon.com (https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Literature-Fiction-in-Arabic/zgbs/digital-text/17215845011), the list of the Arabic Writers Union (https://arablit.org/2010/04/23/the-best-100-arabic-books-according-to-the-arab-writers-union-1-10/) and a dozen more. Not surprisingly, none of these lists mentions Mein Kampf as a bestselling book in Arabic.

I therefore suggest that the time as come to include the relevant information about the translation and distribution of the Arabic version in the main article on Mein Kampf, and delete this misleading and out of date article. Ravpapa (talk) 12:06, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Your conclusion doesn't follow from your premise -- that one claim (to best-seller status in the 21st century) was always dubious and now shown to be wrong (at least about recent years), does not mean that the whole article (which covers many other things) should be deleted. Whether it's better to merge this article into the main "Mein Kampf" article has no connection at all to the best-seller claim... AnonMoos (talk) 17:21, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Copies found in Gaza during the war, held by Hamas members

It should be mentioned in the article. Galzigler (talk) 21:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

On the contrary, obvious propaganda should not be mentioned. Zero^talk 01:55, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Where on earth did you hear such an absurd claim? It is so far-fetched that it is ridiculous.

Many years ago, when this article was first written - as a transparent piece of Arabophobic propaganda - I was one of the most militant advocates of its deletion. I must say that I was wrong. Through the commendable work of Zero and others, it has been reformed into a good article, to the point, well-written, with the Arabophobic content relegated to a single paragraph at the end, where it belongs.Ravpapa (talk) 05:31, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

User:Zero0000 What's propaganda about this? Are you claiming no such books were present there and it's all was faked by the IDF? Galzigler (talk) 20:31, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Most likely, yes, because it makes no sense. If you have ever read Mein Kampf you would know that it would be completely useless to a Hamas member. But that's just my opinion; the wiki-reason for not including it is that the IDF is not a reliable source. There is also no context. Hundreds of copies of Mein Kampf exist in Israeli libraries, but nobody wants to put that information into Wikipedia with a look-what-this-says-about-Israel subtext. Zero^talk 01:33, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Where did you bring this? There's no "Hundreds of copies of Mein Kampf exist in Israeli libraries". If you'll check, there's not even a complete translation of it to Hebrew. And there is a huge difference between holding it in libraries for academic research purpose (as Israel has scholars of the Holocaust) to Hamas indoctrinating their militants with it. I guess you also don't believe the footage and the president of Israel. Maybe they just bought an Arabic copy, god knows where from, and with the shipping time from countries which aren't shipping to Israel, it somehow made it, so the soldiers were able to plant it in the area. Galzigler (talk) 09:07, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I count at least 13 copies just in the National Library. Many copies in the Uni Haifa library. You can look for more, that's enough to prove the point. And "Hamas indoctrinating their militants with it" is obviously just made up as there no way it could be known just from finding a copy. Do you think Gaza had no libraries? No scholars? This story belongs with the beheaded babies. Zero^talk 09:46, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

It was found in a home of a Hamas militant, in a children's room, so my guess it wasn't for scholar purposes. Do they have Holocaust scholars, really? Sounds like an oxymoron, if you know their ideology. When their universities are weapon storage warehouses, you can also be doubt about if there's any real academic studies there. And the unrelated "beheaded babies" story was never published by Israel (I thought Wikipedians are smarter than this, to use fallacies in their claims). Galzigler (talk) 09:59, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

You don't know where it was found, who it belonged to, who bought it etc. That is what you know with a high confidence level, that you don't know. It doesn't matter anyway. What matters from Wikipedia's perspective is that there is reporting. Sean.hoyland (talk) 10:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

You can say this about all of the content related to wars and battles in Wikipedia. You can also say this about any investigation. So detectives are worthless. All courts needs to be closed. What exactly makes this report unreliable to you?

There are reports of this, so according to your own logic, it should be mentioned here. Galzigler (talk) 10:51, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Please provide a citation to an IDF statement that copies were found in the Gaza war. I know of no such statement, and find it hard to believe that there is one. Maybe you heard it on Arutz 14, but it looks to me like a total fabrication. Ravpapa (talk) 05:14, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] Wow, it was really "hard" to find this on Google... And if you're looking for an official IDF publication, here: [9] Galzigler (talk) 09:17, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I think it's probably noteworthy that the president of Israel went on the BBC and connected the rise of Hitler, the Holocaust, Hamas and protests against the war by holding up a copy of Mein Kampf in Arabic that he said was found on the body of a Hamas fighter (with a post-it note to show that the fighter had been studying the book) in a children's room that he said Hamas had turned into a military base in Northern Gaza (link). Whether it's propaganda to make Israelis feel happier about killing people or whether it's accurate reporting doesn't seem relevant from Wikipedia's perspective. Sean.hoyland (talk) 09:32, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

How is the fact the President connected it to the context of the book making the report false? Galzigler (talk) 10:44, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh dear, here and here are Mein Kampf on sale by Israeli bookshops! Zero^talk 09:58, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

One is academia library, and it's not the complete translation. The other is a sort of e-commerce website for second-hand books, meaning they don't really responsible for the content there, as they don't order books. Galzigler (talk) 10:03, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

They are both bookshops. Book shops never take responsibility for book content, so that's meaningless. Zero^talk 03:33, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Bookshops take responsibility for what books they're selling. When it's a UGC website, you have no control on what's sold there. And who heard about this website? You're saying as if it's sold in masses. Meanwhile, it's availability is mainly in universities and NLI, where you found "copies" which are actually different books. Galzigler (talk) 08:32, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

That's not a UGC website, please don't make things up. Zero^talk 08:59, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Okay, it's still a single copy. Not sold in masses. When people try to sell this book in Israel, this is the result: [10], [11], [12]. Galzigler (talk) 12:01, 6 October 2024 (UTC)