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“Changes in medicine”

Very unclear. Do you mean he changed medication? The phrasing sounds like something in the medical establishment changed, and I doubt that is what is meant. Kafka Liz (talk) 22:47, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I only have the adverse reaction to a change in "his prescribed" medicine claim from a podcast recorded with Stewart Lee two days before Smith died. Dunno how to reference a podcast, though the two were friends and I assume Lee would know, also he is a supreme non bullshitter. Hold on! it will emerge in the coming months, I suspect. Ceoil (talk) 23:27, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Has the ring of truth, but the phrasing is still a bit weird, and I’m not sure this is yet verifiable? Want everything to be clear, is all. Kafka Liz (talk) 23:37, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, but was thinking that people might have been wondering why he was appearing on a wheelchair this year, and Lee seems a better choice than their imagination. Ceoil (talk) 23:48, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Where do we get the idea that Stewart Lee and MES were friends? --Dannyno (talk) 21:22, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Will wait on copy editing until things are more settled. Would like to help with that. Kafka Liz (talk) 18:40, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to "medication" - more usual term. Referencing could be improved. Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:25, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

SOFIX, rather than being snide. That kind of stand back superiority is just...ugg. Unwatching this page; have at it. Ceoil (talk) 22:53, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I meant referencing of the medication question, not more widely. Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:31, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(after edit conflict) He did fix the medication thing. Anything else ought to be slept on. Kafka Liz (talk) 23:36, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

More Songs About Mark E. Smith

For future use by myself or someone else:

"Mark E. Smith & Brix" - Barbara Manning - https://www.allmusic.com/album/lately-i-keep-scissors-mw0000114415
"Southern Mark Smith" - The Jazz Butcher - more of an example of an oxymoron than actually about MES
"Stalking Mark E. Smith Around NYC" - Necropolis - perhaps too obscure

- Foetusized (talk) 14:41, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Quite a few more on this album, and then, of course, there's Marc Riley's "Jumper Clown". --Michig (talk) 15:04, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Jumper Clown" being the Creepers sole good tune:) The Manning article looks quite good. Ceoil (talk) 20:09, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Further sources

If wanted.

Bewes, T., 'Mark E. Smith, 1957–2018', Radical Philosophy 202 (June 2018), 125–129.
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[2] Ferrier, The Guardian 2018: 'How Mark E Smith became Manchester's most unlikely style icon'.
[3] Garcia, Dazed 2018: 'The idiosyncratic genius of Mark E Smith'.
[4] Perry, GQ 2018: 'Mark E Smith created a strange and unsettling world of poetry'.
[5] Rotondaro, Current Affairs 2023, 'The Fall’s Mark E. Smith Was a Cipher for Modern Populism'.
[6] Sturgis, The Spectator 2023: 'Legend of the Fall: Mark E. Smith and me'.
[7] Turner, Quietus 2018L 'Hip Priest: Mark E Smith As Conduit For The Fall'.
Wilkinson, D., 2020: 'Mark E. Smith, Brexit Britain and the Aesthetics and Politics of the Working Class Weird', Open Library of Humanities 6, 1–26.
[8] Wray, The Guardian 2018: 'Mark E Smith – the final interview: 'I can clear a pub when I want to.
[9] Wray, Vice 2018: 'Remembering My Drunken Afternoons with Mark E Smith'.