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Requested move

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move all. Cúchullain t/c 13:53, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]


– per WP:HOCKEY, "All player pages should have diacritics applied (where required, according to the languages of the player in question)" P.T. Aufrette (talk) 01:22, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose, per WP:USEENGLISH: "The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources (for example other encyclopedias and reference works, scholarly journals and major news sources)." I doubt if any of these players have appeared in a reference work or a scholarly journal, so that leaves us with major news sources. Giving the correct English-language spelling is useful to more readers than giving only a non-English spelling. Treating Slavic diacritics as if they were part of mainstream English misleads the reader. The native-language spelling would still be given boldfaced in the opening for those sports fans interested such things, per WP:FULLNAME. The only player here who has gotten any English-language media coverage worth mentioning is Tomas Vincour. No English-language RS gives any of these players with diacritcs. Here's what I came up with:
Kauffner, again and again in every single RM that involves East European living peoples' names you link to sources effectively saying "look, this person is mentioned by a low-quality website that never spells East Europeans names correctly" But so what? So you've presented a list of unreliable sources that fail WP:IRS, "The reliability of a source depends on context. Each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made and is the best such source for that context." Can you instead provide an example of where a single one of these Czech and Slovak living people is spelled without accents next door to a non-sportsperson Czech or Slovak whose name is spelled correctly? Because if not all you're saying is "hey look, I have some unreliable-for-spelling sources!" We can all produce those. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
PS re. "The only player here who has gotten any English-language media coverage worth mentioning is Tomas Vincour" the per WP:USEENGLISH indicates "It can happen that an otherwise notable topic has not yet received much attention in the English-speaking world, so that there are too few English sources to constitute an established usage. Very low Google counts can but need not be indicative of this. If this happens, follow the conventions of the language in which this entity is most often talked about (German for German politicians..." Would you object to "Czech for Czech sportspersons" being added to WP:USEENGLISH so that we don't have to have any more RMs like this? Seriously. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:50, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.