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Section size for Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election (85 sections)
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(Top)	45,781	45,781
Background	132	20,250
Trump's 2012 accusations of electoral fraud	1,043	1,043
Uncertainty over Trump accepting an electoral loss in 2016	3,445	3,445
Uncertainty over Trump accepting an electoral loss in 2020	15,630	15,630
Refusal to accept 2020 electoral loss	160	76,074
Refusal to accept 2020 electoral loss by Donald Trump	63	25,974
Before results declared	7,601	7,601
After results declared	15,293	15,293
After leaving office	3,017	3,017
Refusal to accept 2020 electoral loss by Trump's allies and supporters	80	49,940
Stop the Steal	33,688	33,688
Conspiracy theories	16,172	16,172
November 2020	5,576	93,413
"Fake" electors	7,426	7,426
Lame duck firings and hirings	16,609	16,609
Lawsuits	5,943	5,943
Michigan officials pressured to not certify	9,402	9,402
Attempt to seize voting machines in Michigan	2,097	2,097
Georgia Secretary of State pressured to disqualify ballots	4,185	4,185
Wisconsin recount-obstruction	3,237	3,237
Partisan hearings with Republican legislatures	2,970	2,970
Conspiracy allegations	25,528	25,528
Threats of violence by Trump supporters	10,440	10,440
December 2020	6,947	75,303
Trump's attempt to pressure state officials	12,125	12,125
Supreme Court petitions	8,089	8,089
Consideration of special counsel and martial law	14,470	14,470
Planning for Congress to overturn the election on January 6	2,422	2,422
Pressure on Pence	1,224	14,934
"Pence Card" conspiracy	9,266	9,266
December timeline	4,444	4,444
Pressure on Justice Department	6,035	6,035
Pressure on Defense Department	3,830	3,830
Plan to seize voting machines	3,618	3,618
Ellis memos	1,717	1,717
Plan to obtain National Security Agency data	1,116	1,116
January 2021	7,527	73,963
Gohmert v. Pence	4,965	4,965
Calls with state officials	15,731	15,731
Justice Department pressured and efforts made to replace acting attorney general	7,166	7,166
Preparations by chief of staff	4,143	4,143
More pressure on Pence	8,139	8,139
January 6 joint session	90	10,823
Senate efforts	8,644	8,644
House votes	1,063	1,063
Report by Rep. Zoe Lofgren	1,026	1,026
Capitol attack	11,255	11,255
Trump operatives breach Coffee County, Georgia election system	1,930	1,930
Lindell memo	2,284	2,284
Later developments	26	63,694
Taxpayer costs	741	741
Security concerns over March 4, 2021	1,576	1,576
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Arizona	8,248	8,248
Georgia	4,104	4,104
Idaho	2,080	2,080
Pennsylvania	6,329	6,329
Texas	3,140	3,140
Wisconsin	7,605	7,605
Mike Lindell reinstatement prediction	1,526	1,526
Senate Judiciary Committee report	750	750
Election law reform efforts	1,699	1,699
Post-election voter restriction efforts by Republicans	182	182
Impact on secretaries of state	981	981
House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack	4,241	4,241
2021 German federal election	1,623	1,623
Justice Department investigations	1,460	1,460
Civil lawsuits	551	551
Continuing subversion efforts and 2024 predictions	10,970	10,970
Post-election allegations of statistical improbabilities	3,215	3,215
Reactions	16	54,443
Republican critiques of the "big lie"	1,877	22,517
Administration dissenters	1,829	1,829
Consistent critics	5,060	5,060
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Description as attempted coup	39	21,886
Before the Capitol attack	14,343	14,343
During or after the Capitol attack	7,504	7,504
"Trump won" and "big lie"	6,091	6,091
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See also	530	530
Notes	26	26
References	30	30
External links	3,806	3,806
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The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:

Eggers, Andrew C.; Garro, Haritz; Grimmer, Justin (2021-11-09). "No evidence for systematic voter fraud: A guide to statistical claims about the 2020 election". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America. Retrieved 2021-11-16.
House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack's Presentation Outline

Trump reportedly wanted to join the rioters

I don't think we have sufficiently weighty RSs to add this to the article, but its in the media and I wanted to note them for followup later. Politico had this scoop,^[1] which has spawned (of course) a cascade of other media stories based on the original Politco piece. Apparently a secret service agent, Trumps lead guy, gave closed (not public testimony). The committee hasn't disclosed it. So what we have here is he said..... he heard it from a friend.....that the other person told a bunch of people..... stuff (Politico heard it from a source that the agent testified to the panel.) This is why I don't think the report has enough WEIGHT to be added to the article. But it sure is interesting. Even as the violence was happening, Trump was tryhing to talk his detail into taking him down to the capitol. Instead they took him to the White House. At least, if the report is accurate.

Imagine if Secret Service had really taken Pence to Andrews and Trump got to the capitol.....

Anyway, the other part of this story that we might be able to use if the committee discloses the agent's testimony is commentary from Professor Ruth Ben-Ghiat, who studies fascism and coups, and opined that "“If you’re having a coup and summoned everybody, and aim to be anointed as the head of a new illegitimate government, you have to be there,” I'm sure there's a weightier RS than HuffPost but for now, ^[2]

References

^ Swan, Betsy Woodruff. "Trump privately raised Jan. 6 Capitol appearance with Secret Service agent, select panel hears". POLITICO.
^ "Trump Botched His 'Coup' By Not Marching To Capitol Jan. 6, Says Expert On Autocrats". HuffPost. 12 June 2022.

Overturned before election is over ?

Almost everything detailed in the article took place before there was an official winner. So it wouldn't be overturning anything. 2600:6C40:0:204E:A133:B740:E9FE:5228 (talk) 11:06, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, the votes were in and had been counted, this was just the certification of that result. Slatersteven (talk) 11:07, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is the complication with overturn. Many places have rules requiring a recount when the results are close. And allow one to request, and pay for, a recount when it is close, but not quite as close. Those are not attempts to overthrow. Asking the Secretary of State to find 11780 votes is an attempt. Note that a recount can, and often does, find more votes for the other side. Definitely attempts can happen before a winner is declared. Gah4 (talk) 22:50, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Overturn is defined as to abolish, invalidate or reverse (a previous system, decision, situation, etc.). The term appears to be an adequate description of the overall events that took place during and after the election. Requesting a recount within the legal requirements is an attempt to validate not to invalidate.--Asr1014 (talk) 00:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming page for greater accuracy

Should be page be renamed to Republican attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election? The page is explicitly clear that it is only about efforts by the Republican Party and Donald Trump. Saying "Attempts" is less specific and can also suggest that non-Republican groups attempted to overturn the election, which is not covered by this page. This would be in line with the naming convention in Republican efforts to restrict voting following the 2020 presidential election. BootsED (talk) 01:04, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Swan, Betsy Woodruff. "Trump privately raised Jan. 6 Capitol appearance with Secret Service agent, select panel hears". POLITICO.

[2] "Trump Botched His 'Coup' By Not Marching To Capitol Jan. 6, Says Expert On Autocrats". HuffPost. 12 June 2022.

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